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What should be done about the gas attack? (Original Post) B2G Apr 2018 OP
Really? PJMcK Apr 2018 #1
Yes, I've seen doubts expressed here. B2G Apr 2018 #3
Okay (n/t) PJMcK Apr 2018 #4
The reason I have doubts that it happened. kentuck Apr 2018 #8
Remember the intelligence that Trump gave to the Russian on ISIS that came from an ally? karynnj Apr 2018 #12
That's just it- did it happen, can it be verified? TexasProgresive Apr 2018 #2
Complex question as to what to do karynnj Apr 2018 #5
Thanks for the brief synopsis. nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #6
Thanks for your response. B2G Apr 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Apr 2018 #9
He and Putin should both be bombed back to the stone age. Initech Apr 2018 #11
Well lets start with Russia. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #18
So how do we deal with these criminals? Initech Apr 2018 #22
We are involved in a massively bloody Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #24
What we need are competent leaders. Initech Apr 2018 #25
huh? GeorgeGist Apr 2018 #14
Charge Putin with war crimes? Initech Apr 2018 #10
How about we sign on to the ICC first. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #21
Hard to say gratuitous Apr 2018 #13
Under normal circumstances and a Democrat in the Oval Office Mr. Ected Apr 2018 #15
It would be insane to involve ourselves in yet another Middle East conflict without a clear strategy anneboleyn Apr 2018 #16
Depends on your goals. For the WH and GOP, their goals are going to be primarily political nt wiggs Apr 2018 #17
If it's fake news Turbineguy Apr 2018 #19
not our fight. KG Apr 2018 #20
If a country is using poison gas on it's own citizens it is everybodies fight.. EX500rider Apr 2018 #23
I damn sure wouldn't tweet about it. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #26
Here's what he won't do..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #27

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
8. The reason I have doubts that it happened.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:58 PM
Apr 2018

Because we get very little live coverage out of Syria. But as soon as there is a reported gas attack, the news channels have all sorts of video coverage?

It may have happened but I would prefer to see more coverage and first-hand witnesses interviewed. Is that too much to ask before we go to war?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
12. Remember the intelligence that Trump gave to the Russian on ISIS that came from an ally?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:27 PM
Apr 2018

The UK, France and the US, likely have sources of differing credibility. I am sure one really difficult piece of this is finding the truth. Consider that even before Trump none of these countries wanted to play a bigger role in the Syrian Civil War. That includes our military.

I remember the cherry picked Iraq intelligence and get where your question is coming from and I worry that many tried to push the US into a more active war. However, we are in a weak position there.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
2. That's just it- did it happen, can it be verified?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:40 PM
Apr 2018

Remember when the Iraqis tossed Kuwati babies out of incubators. Back in the day German soldiers (WW I I think) were tossing Belgic babes in the air and catching them on their bayonets. Bad things happen but it's often hard to decern fact from propaganda intending to stir the pot of war.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
5. Complex question as to what to do
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:50 PM
Apr 2018

It is good that the US appears to be coordinating with the UK and France rather than going alone. There were resolutions in the UN on this yesterday, but both the US and Russian resolutions failed. Both had the goal of investigating the chemical weapons use.

Russia is denying it happened, but they have previously been shown to have been wrong and likely lying about other attacks. That included air strikes on an aid convoy to Allepo that Syria had given permission to happen. It is interesting that Russia is claiming nothing happened rather than their more typical claiming it was others who did it -even if air craft was used and they had none.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
7. Thanks for your response.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 02:52 PM
Apr 2018

It IS complex.

The only thing I know for certain is that bloviating on Twitter is a horrible strategy. But not a surprising one.

Response to B2G (Original post)

Initech

(100,076 posts)
11. He and Putin should both be bombed back to the stone age.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:03 PM
Apr 2018

I'm normally against war but we need to do to these two what we did to Saddam Hussein. Putin has been wrecking havoc around the world by rigging elections and stirring up hatred, racial tensions, and white supremacy and has not been punished for it. He and Assad both need to be done away with.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
18. Well lets start with Russia.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:21 PM
Apr 2018

You understand that they have a massive nuclear arsenal, right? So in addition to murdering Putin, you are likely proposing an additional 100-500 million deaths as “collateral damage”.

Now let’s move on to Assad. Basically you appear to have learned less than nothing from the Iraq War disaster.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
22. So how do we deal with these criminals?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:49 PM
Apr 2018

Do we just let them run amok and continue to cause chaos all over the world? We can't reason with them and we can't deal with them, but something must be done.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
25. What we need are competent leaders.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

The last time Trump raided Yemen (last year I think) it was a total clusterfuck and he sent our troops into a walking trap - all based off some bad intel. And I feel like the next time that happens it will be the same thing unless we elect smart leaders who know how to act swiftly in war. Trump is definitely not that person.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Hard to say
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:39 PM
Apr 2018

It's not like the U.S. has a lot of credibility on the world stage right now, and most of our allies don't trust Trump to follow through on any promises (almost as if they've been watching what he's been doing for the last 15 months).

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
15. Under normal circumstances and a Democrat in the Oval Office
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:46 PM
Apr 2018

I doubt we'd have to ask this question.

Right now, the best thing for the USA to do is NOTHING because our leadership is traitorous and any action they take is likely motivated by something other than retaliation for the gas attack.

Until Trump is in prison, anything we do on the world stage will be suspect and likely ineffective.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
16. It would be insane to involve ourselves in yet another Middle East conflict without a clear strategy
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 03:53 PM
Apr 2018

and there is no way this administration is going to have a clear and rational strategy — and with Bolton there it’s even worse. The whole thing seems like a “wag the dog” phenomenon to me as it is — sending some bombs over like we did before seems absurd to me.

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
23. If a country is using poison gas on it's own citizens it is everybodies fight..
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 04:54 PM
Apr 2018

"Never Again" has to mean something.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
27. Here's what he won't do.....
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 05:17 PM
Apr 2018

1) don't tell the world a time table for his response......

2) don't tell the world what the response will be in advance......

Oh wait! Those pieces of advice were for Obama!!!!

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