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writes3000

(4,734 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:16 PM Apr 2018

NYT: Raid on Trumps Lawyer Sought Records on Access Hollywood Tape (Could This Be Why?)

Could Cohen be the link to prove conspiracy & collusion? See the article and then speculation below.

NYT

"The F.B.I. agents who raided the office and hotel of President Trump’s lawyer on Monday were seeking all records related to the “Access Hollywood” tape in which Mr. Trump was heard making vulgar comments about women, according to three people who have been briefed on the contents of a federal search warrant.

The search warrant also sought evidence of whether the lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, tried to suppress damaging information about Mr. Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-access-hollywood.html

SPECULATION: Someone on another board pointed this out. Do you remember what happened immediately after the Access Hollywood tapes came out? Wikileaks started dumping emails from the Clinton campaign. Immediately.

What if Mueller and team have strong indications that Cohen was the one who signaled to Wikileaks to move right now? If they can find evidence of that...

That would prove conspiracy.

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NYT: Raid on Trumps Lawyer Sought Records on Access Hollywood Tape (Could This Be Why?) (Original Post) writes3000 Apr 2018 OP
That makes everything add up. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #1
oooh it's getting good... HopeAgain Apr 2018 #2
Cohen and Trump are terrified. madaboutharry Apr 2018 #3
I am fucking GIDDY. nt Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #5
Careful. Muellermas might be a Fitzmas, but I think it likely be a Watergate-Rosenberg-TamanyHall- Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #11
that's quite a web of horrors. I lived through most (not Teapot) and Tamany Hall still resonates erronis Apr 2018 #15
Yes!!! Cohen contacted them to release the hounds after the pussy.... Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #4
All while our Intel was trying to warn of Russian interference. Ligyron Apr 2018 #17
Interesting theory, and now Schiff has also raised it: TubbersUK Apr 2018 #6
Yep, that was incident that drove Trump to unleash the Kraken. procon Apr 2018 #7
Why would he have withheld them in the first place? B2G Apr 2018 #9
I'm sure he was waiting until days before the election for maximum impact Dopers_Greed Apr 2018 #12
Great point. B2G Apr 2018 #16
There wasn't even anything in them. LisaM Apr 2018 #27
Boris not Ivan. Ask Rocky or Bullwinkle. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2018 #19
Interesting. kentuck Apr 2018 #8
And maybe if you're walking on Trump Tower block of Fifth Ave in NYC fierywoman Apr 2018 #10
Why would Mueller turn that over to SDNY? Jim__ Apr 2018 #13
Ya know what...you have a point there. nt Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #14
Two potential reasons... writes3000 Apr 2018 #18
Says who? czarjak Apr 2018 #20
YOUre right. RAchel did a whole show on that day. It was also that day that the news broke that Amaryllis Apr 2018 #21
You mean like No collusion! No Obstruction! No Conspiracy! bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #22
I pointed this out on this board. triron Apr 2018 #23
The Clinton emails (DNC emails) were released before the Democratic Convention FakeNoose Apr 2018 #24
The Podesta emails were released on the SAME day as the Access Hollywood tape OhioBlue Apr 2018 #25
It was the Podesta emails. Sparkly Apr 2018 #26
Yes because there were no Clinton emails on Wikipedia FakeNoose Apr 2018 #28

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
1. That makes everything add up.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:19 PM
Apr 2018

Blast HRC just when your own trash is aired. Obstruction of the free election.

madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)
3. Cohen and Trump are terrified.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:21 PM
Apr 2018

Damning evidence is now in the hands of people who will bring them down. And they know it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
11. Careful. Muellermas might be a Fitzmas, but I think it likely be a Watergate-Rosenberg-TamanyHall-
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:16 PM
Apr 2018

I think Mueller's reports will likely expose in detail a Watergate-Rosenberg-TamanyHall-CreditMobilier-Abramoff-TeapotDome-Hastert-KeatingFive fustercluck.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
15. that's quite a web of horrors. I lived through most (not Teapot) and Tamany Hall still resonates
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:38 PM
Apr 2018

I think the current stain on this country's history will eclipse the rest, but still each one is really scary.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
4. Yes!!! Cohen contacted them to release the hounds after the pussy....
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:26 PM
Apr 2018

hence Wikileaks leaking a mere half an hour after the access hollywood tape broke. BING FUCKING O.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
6. Interesting theory, and now Schiff has also raised it:
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:31 PM
Apr 2018



Jim Sciutto

@jimsciutto
.@RepAdamSchiff just raised possibility that Mueller is investigating whether Trump aides colluded with Wikileaks and/or Russia on the timing of Podesta emails release @CNNSitRoom








im Sciutto

@jimsciutto
Remindier: Wikileaks started publishing first of hacked Podesta emails within an hour of the release of the Access Hollywood tape. This was also the same day ODNI/DHS first publicly blamed #Russia for election interference.

8:07 PM - Apr 11, 2018

procon

(15,805 posts)
7. Yep, that was incident that drove Trump to unleash the Kraken.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:50 PM
Apr 2018

O please, all ye gods of the great email server in Trump Tower, hear my plea and let there be a direct communique ordering Ivan or Natasha to release those cursed emails.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
12. I'm sure he was waiting until days before the election for maximum impact
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:30 PM
Apr 2018

But Comey did that for him

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
8. Interesting.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:52 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe they could subpoena MGM and get the rest of the tapes that were never made public?

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
10. And maybe if you're walking on Trump Tower block of Fifth Ave in NYC
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:12 PM
Apr 2018

you might cross the street at that point or risk being hit by a jumping Michael Cohen.

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
18. Two potential reasons...
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 07:46 PM
Apr 2018

1) The most obvious one is that Rosenstein did it this way to try to avoid Mueller getting blamed by Trump. With this kind of direct hit against Trump, they had to be concerned about his blowback.

2) If the way they got the warrants were about some other crime specific to that area, then Rosenstein would probably have to refer it to the SDNY. The key is that the Mueller investigation is guaranteed to get evidence that applies to their case.

Perhaps it’s a bit of both. They’re using the SDNY to do the work and provide a bit of cover while asking for the evidence they’re looking for.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
21. YOUre right. RAchel did a whole show on that day. It was also that day that the news broke that
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:26 PM
Apr 2018

Russia was hacking databases. Then all kinds of other thigns happened to distract from that.

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
22. You mean like No collusion! No Obstruction! No Conspiracy!
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:52 PM
Apr 2018

Just coordination?

Use one event to cover the other. Or one to grab attention while the other trashes the opposition. High risk strategy, one might not be entirely able to control the outcome. But on a more primitive emotional level, the Access Hollywood tape makes Trump sound macho or even enhances his raw charisma to his base, while the email release casts doubt on HRC to everyone who will listen.

So yes, coordination of the two events would not surprise me. Willie Horton ads 1988 sounded like a real loser, but it went straight to prejudice and clinched the deal for Bush. See how these subliminial emotional events play to peoples' lowest emotions?

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
24. The Clinton emails (DNC emails) were released before the Democratic Convention
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:50 PM
Apr 2018

I believe that was in early August and Wikileaks (or that Gucci guy) did release pages every day for a couple of weeks. Remember, it caused such a problem with the Bernie Bros? They screamed for Wasserman Schultz's resignation, which they got. That all happened before the Billy Bush's Access Hollywood tape hit paydirt.

I don't know this for a fact but it sure looked like Jeb Bush secretly released the pussy tape, in a way that never reflected back to him. But he did have the tape (through his brother Billy) and he also had a huge grudge against Trump. The tape came out about 10 days before the election, maybe the last week of October 2016. Hillary's emails had already been circulated for a couple months by then.

The timing of the Access Hollywood tape was within a day or two of Comey's announcement that he was re-opening the investigation into Hillary's emails. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? No Hillary emails were actually released by Wikileaks then.



OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
25. The Podesta emails were released on the SAME day as the Access Hollywood tape
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:18 PM
Apr 2018

These were emails hacked from his gmail account. Yes, there were hacked DNC emails that were released earlier but the Podesta emails were released on Oct 7 - again.. SAME day as the AH tape.

Billy and Jeb are cousins, not brothers. If Jeb had it, why wouldn't he release during the primaries?

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
28. Yes because there were no Clinton emails on Wikipedia
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:07 PM
Apr 2018

I think that was my point. I'm reading about this in Russian Roulette at the moment.

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