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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 06:46 PM Apr 2018

What Really Happened When Bernie Sanders Went to Mississippi


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/what-really-happened-when-bernie-sanders-went-to-mississippi.html

What Really Happened When Bernie Sanders Went to Mississippi

Bernie Sanders in the Deep South


Last week, I joined Bernie Sanders in Memphis, Tennessee, and Jackson, Mississippi, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination. Sanders was overwhelmingly well received by both passersby and the local audiences who came to hear him speak. But so far, the media coverage of his trip has revolved around a brief aside, in which Sanders faulted the Democratic Party for its recent legislative failures

........


In fact, if Beale Street could talk, it would tell a very different story about Bernie Sanders than the now-familiar critique that he is insufficiently sensitive to racial issues. As I walked with Sanders down Memphis’s famous thoroughfare, his popularity, including among the predominantly black crowd attending the commemorative festivities, was self-evident. The senator was stopped every few feet by selfie-seekers and admirers. Yes: Perhaps this is to be expected of any politician with a national profile, but given his poor showing in Mississippi during the 2016 Democratic primary, in which he secured less than 17 percent of the black vote, I had thought the senator and his small cohort might go unnoticed. I was wrong.


A group of 40-something black women were among the first to spot the senator as he exited a parking garage, followed quickly by a black teenager, who endearingly apologized repeatedly to “Mr. Sanders” as he snapped a selfie. Later, at a hotel in Jackson, Mississippi, two black receptionists chatted substantively about the senator after he went upstairs to change for the evening’s event, remarking that Sanders hadn’t forgotten the people who had voted for him — the people he was fighting for. Unlike other politicians, they agreed, “Bernie hasn’t proven himself to be that way yet.”
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What Really Happened When Bernie Sanders Went to Mississippi (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 OP
Don't you know it's dangerous to post anything positive RandomAccess Apr 2018 #1
Right? SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #6
So what happens if we don't have an anointed one? erronis Apr 2018 #7
I actually have no idea what you're talking about RandomAccess Apr 2018 #10
What a brightly colored cross you've designed LanternWaste Apr 2018 #49
I like Bernie Sanders. garybeck Apr 2018 #55
I fear that that's coming. RandomAccess Apr 2018 #57
.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #2
Doesn't fit narrative Egnever Apr 2018 #3
Keep telling yourself that... LanternWaste Apr 2018 #50
K & R very good article mountain grammy Apr 2018 #4
Agree totally. It may be too soon in the primary season for the troops to get riled up. erronis Apr 2018 #8
50-state approach by whom? Our Revolution? George II Apr 2018 #12
Well, I liked the 2008 Democratic party strategy mountain grammy Apr 2018 #14
Except that we didn't have that super majority in either House. Yes, we did gain seats.... George II Apr 2018 #16
Oh, is that why we lost so badly in 2010 and, even with Obama at the top of the ticket, in 2012? mountain grammy Apr 2018 #20
Thank you.. whathehell Apr 2018 #28
The Dean 50 state strategy was abandoned...funding was curtailed also and the left Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #39
I remember back then right after Obama took office. Within WEEKS the complaining about him began... George II Apr 2018 #54
This This This!!! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #58
Thanks Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #53
why is it the hide words feature does not work for Bernie on DU? Skittles Apr 2018 #5
Thanks. Nanjeanne Apr 2018 #9
Thanks for the report zentrum Apr 2018 #11
+💯 dembotoz Apr 2018 #13
A testimonial from a known Sanders admirer. Blue_true Apr 2018 #15
It's certainly as convincing as the "constructive criticism" served up around here on the regular stranger81 Apr 2018 #19
There are excellent reasons to Cha Apr 2018 #22
It is real easy for me, I like EVERY person with a D after their name. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #46
+100. n/t whathehell Apr 2018 #29
You said it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #52
DURec leftstreet Apr 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #18
A lot more than that happened when (or should I say while?) Bernie Sanders went to Mississippi. George II Apr 2018 #21
Says you melman Apr 2018 #23
Sorry, but the world didn't revolve around Jackson Mississippi on April 4, 2018.... George II Apr 2018 #25
Obama and John Lewis talk MLK on 50th anniversary of assassination Cha Apr 2018 #34
Of course it did, George.. I read Cha Apr 2018 #24
+1,000,000 George II Apr 2018 #26
And What...Did A Black Teen Have To Aplogize For Me. Apr 2018 #27
The article was written by a black journalist.. whathehell Apr 2018 #31
Even quoting the entire sentence would help clarify. But yeah... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #32
Yes it was, but do you think it was an objective article? Why did she have to go all the way back.. George II Apr 2018 #37
Clearly Me. Apr 2018 #45
I Did Read It To Find Out Me. Apr 2018 #38
Lol.. whathehell Apr 2018 #42
An intelligent article BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #30
Thank you for posting this. David__77 Apr 2018 #33
"Bernie Sanders Isn't a Democrat...Thank God" lapucelle Apr 2018 #35
Read what you quoted again. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #36
Her meaning is quite clear. lapucelle Apr 2018 #41
Woah. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #44
What a fantastic.. disillusioned73 Apr 2018 #40
K&R. ms liberty Apr 2018 #43
Thanks for posting this. KTM Apr 2018 #47
That doesn't unsay what Bernie said in Mississippi. Progressive dog Apr 2018 #48
Thanks for posting this... nice to see an objective take on Bernie's immense popularity. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #51
Whatever one thinks of this article G_j Apr 2018 #56

erronis

(15,257 posts)
7. So what happens if we don't have an anointed one?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:41 PM
Apr 2018

Just asking, not voicing an opinion. I can retract the question if necessary. "Anointed" was just a turn of phrase, not meant to imply some holy blessing.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
10. I actually have no idea what you're talking about
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:43 PM
Apr 2018

and I really suspect you would be better off in a lot of ways just asking someone else.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. What a brightly colored cross you've designed
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:24 PM
Apr 2018

What a brightly colored cross you've designed for yourselves for that Newer & Better Martyrdom! Tastes Great... less filling.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
57. I fear that that's coming.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:29 PM
Apr 2018

But for now, apparently not. In the meantime, you'll just get a lot of grief and hassle.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. Keep telling yourself that...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:25 PM
Apr 2018

Keep telling yourself that... without the self-assigned oppression, there's have little else.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
4. K & R very good article
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:36 PM
Apr 2018

Here's another pertinent excerpt..

Sanders is pushing a return to the 50-state approach to elections that Howard Dean used to help flip Congress in 2006: “When Obama ran in 2012 in Mississippi, he got approximately 44 percent of the vote … f you had a Democratic Party that was a 50-state party, which was paying attention to Mississippi, and South Carolina and Georgia, as well as Kansas and Montana and Idaho, if you had a party that was putting resources and energy into every state in the country, there is no way on earth that you will not get 20 or 30 percent of white Mississippians voting for a candidate like Obama.” Combined with higher voter turnout from their large African-American populations, Sanders believes many southern states like Mississippi could soon turn not just blue, but could lead the charge of progressivism.

But in order to ensure that black voters turn out, Sanders understands that people need something to vote for, not just someone to vote against. They need to feel heard.


Sounds like a winning strategy to me, probably because it was.. I can see the South leading the way to progressivism, and they should because they need progress.

Good to see this in GD... you have more courage than me, my friend.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
14. Well, I liked the 2008 Democratic party strategy
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:56 PM
Apr 2018

of Howard Dean, you know, the 50 state party approach that gave us a super majority in the Congress and a Democratic president. Remember that one? Do you think we should do that again? I do. How many seats have we lost since we abandoned that strategy? Damn, somebody better be talking about it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. Except that we didn't have that super majority in either House. Yes, we did gain seats....
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:13 PM
Apr 2018

....but there was a lot more involved than a 50-state strategy.

We had probably the most charismatic Presidential candidate since JFK, maybe even more so than even him, there was a looming depression worse than any in our history except for the "Great Depression" of the 1930s, and there were two ill-conceived wars going on because of one of the most inept administrations in our history.

To attribute our gains in 2008 only to a 50-state strategy is political naivety. What we really need is candidates that fit in their districts so they can compete with republican candidates.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
20. Oh, is that why we lost so badly in 2010 and, even with Obama at the top of the ticket, in 2012?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
Apr 2018

Not only losing the House but state legislatures in a census year giving Republicans big majorities necessary for redistricting which became gerrymandering on steroids with no organized pushback from the Democratic Party.

Guess our candidates didn't fit in their districts, huh? Or, maybe the DNC abandoned local elections. I saw that happen in Colorado. I think our national party supporting local, grassroots candidates is necessary for Democratic candidates to win and I will continue to donate to and support candidates that support the Democratic agenda whether they be in my own district or somewhere else.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
39. The Dean 50 state strategy was abandoned...funding was curtailed also and the left
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:32 AM
Apr 2018

punished Pres. Obama for not getting single payer....elections have consequences...12 was better than expected...14 again Democrats didn't show up and we got Gorsuch...see a pattern here? We squandered six years of a Democratic President because he couldn't fulfil our hopes and dreams in two years and ended up with a gerrymandered House. Now I will say this to those who think Sen. Sanders should run...you are wrong. If he runs, we lose 20 period end of story. We need fresh faces and to put 16 behind us. We don't need a nominee who will run against the party while running against Republicans...not that I think Sen. Sanders can win a primary. No, more likely, the usual suspects will scream that 20 was rigged and unfair. Regardless of your opinion of the MLK function...many others disagree and it has caused controversy, and there is too much drama with Sen. Sanders. We need to focus on beating Republicans in 18 and 20. I hope he will not run. It would be a disaster.

George II

(67,782 posts)
54. I remember back then right after Obama took office. Within WEEKS the complaining about him began...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:54 PM
Apr 2018

....."he hasn't done this yet....", "he hasn't done that yet....", "he promised but...." They were relentless.

It got so bad around here that a few months into Obama's Presidency I signed off DU and didn't come back for about two years.

No, abandoning the 50-state strategy isn't what cost all those seats, it was purists who demanded perfection or they wouldn't vote that cost us many of those seats.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
53. Thanks
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:48 PM
Apr 2018

I've read several articles that dispute the effectiveness of the 50 state strategy. While it helped in many areas, it hurt in others by spending in states & districts where there was no hope of victory which diverted those funds from districts that were very close. In one article is was estimated that caused the loss of at least 5 or so additional seats for the Dems.

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
19. It's certainly as convincing as the "constructive criticism" served up around here on the regular
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:22 PM
Apr 2018

by known Sanders detractors.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
46. It is real easy for me, I like EVERY person with a D after their name.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:40 PM
Apr 2018

I dont like them because they are all great people (they may well be but that isnt my point), I like them because if we have 218 of them in the house, we get to stop the Nazi's

you know, the NAZI'S who are targeting Vietnamese


Former ambassador to Vietnam: Trump wanted me to send back refugees

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. Sorry, but the world didn't revolve around Jackson Mississippi on April 4, 2018....
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:36 PM
Apr 2018

....there were a lot more important events taking place that day to memorialize the historic significance of that day.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
27. And What...Did A Black Teen Have To Aplogize For
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:49 PM
Apr 2018

endearingly no less?

"followed quickly by a black teenager, who endearingly apologized repeatedly to “Mr. Sanders”

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Yes it was, but do you think it was an objective article? Why did she have to go all the way back..
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 07:07 AM
Apr 2018

...to October, six months ago, to find a "recent" poll to cite?

It's that ubiquitous ONLINE Harvard Harris poll which the pollsters admit was "weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, political party, political affiliation, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population".

That's the poll that asked...."Now we will show you some names. Please indicate if you have a favorable or unfavorable view of that person." and then listed a select group of only 13 people INCLUDING Steve Bannon who had already left the administration months earlier, and Bob Corker, who had already announced he was retiring, and omitted many other public figures.

Clearly the writer had a mission, and it doesn't appear to have been an objective mission.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
38. I Did Read It To Find Out
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:18 AM
Apr 2018

and the answer is as obscure as your post. The entire article has a whiff to me.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
30. An intelligent article
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:05 AM
Apr 2018

Sanders is a much bigger man than his knee-jerk opponents would have you think. Thanks for posting.

lapucelle

(18,258 posts)
35. "Bernie Sanders Isn't a Democrat...Thank God"
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:28 AM
Apr 2018

asserts Ms. Gray in another puff piece.

"But more relevant than whether Sanders has done enough to support the party itself should be whether Sanders has worked hard in service of the party’s ideals. After all, what would it mean to promote a party that stood for nothing?"

I'm not sure why anyone on DU would take seriously the musings of someone who insists that the Democratic Party stands for nothing. Someone should forward a copy of the Democratic Party platform to Ms. Gray stat. She's apparently never bothered to read it.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democrat-thank-god

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
36. Read what you quoted again.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:50 AM
Apr 2018

The quote doesn’t say you apparently think it does.

She says without the party’s ideals the party stands for nothing. She is not saying the party stands for nothing. She is saying a party without ideals is just a party.

She is saying the Democratic Party has ideals worth promoting — otherwise, promoting just a party would be futile.

I’m sure you can find something else to not like about this piece but that quote ain’t it.

lapucelle

(18,258 posts)
41. Her meaning is quite clear.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:59 AM
Apr 2018

"Bernie Sanders Is Not a Democrat...Thank God". It doesn't get any plainer than that, no matter how you try to spin it.

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
44. Woah.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:24 AM
Apr 2018

That sure is a hit piece on the Democratic Party. Methinks Briahna doesn't like us much.

Thanks for the link to Current Affairs...interesting read.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democrat-thank-god

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
40. What a fantastic..
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:42 AM
Apr 2018

fact based article..

"Mayor Lumumba’s closing remarks at the panel reinforced the theme that identity alone is not enough: “There was a time,” he explained, “where our fight was to get leadership that looked like us. Now our mission must be to have leadership that thinks like us.”

ms liberty

(8,574 posts)
43. K&R.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:36 AM
Apr 2018

I'm sure the haters have hurled all over the thread; I'll wait until lunch to look...or maybe just avoid them entirely. They've got one note, and it's sour.

 

KTM

(1,823 posts)
47. Thanks for posting this.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:11 PM
Apr 2018

This paragraph jumped out, but the entire thing stands in contrast to the deconstructions we see here.

Sanders went on to cite the racial wealth gap, the disproportionate incarceration of black Americans, and the unequal public education system which plagues many low-income communities. “So it’s not either/or,” he explained, rejecting the race versus class framing that has become popular since the 2016 presidential election. “It’s never either/or. It’s both.” He continued: “It is making sure every American has high quality health care as a right — the right to excellent education. But it is also addressing the special problem of racism, of sexism, of homophobia, etc.”


Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
48. That doesn't unsay what Bernie said in Mississippi.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:21 PM
Apr 2018

Even before he went, some did not want him there.
" I was feeling Bernie.

#
Yet some people can't be invited to the cookout. They just can't. They might sound like they are kinda down but then they open their mouth a few too many times, and there it is—nonsense just flows freely from their lips like water over Niagara falls. Bernie cannot come to the cookout. Sorry, not sorry."
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2018/apr/04/opinion-mississippi-womens-activistbernie-sanders-/

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