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Eko

(7,338 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:13 PM Apr 2018

We are probably the closest we have ever been to a nuclear war.

and its because of a tweet.

The lowest the Doomsday clock from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists has been is 2 min. Before now that was in

1949: The Soviet Union denies it, but in the fall, President Harry Truman tells the American public that the Soviets tested their first nuclear device, officially starting the arms race. "We do not advise Americans that doomsday is near and that they can expect atomic bombs to start falling on their heads a month or year from now," the Bulletin explains. "But we think they have reason to be deeply alarmed and to be prepared for grave decisions."
https://thebulletin.org/timeline

On Jan 25th of this year, it made it back down to 2 min.
Now we have Russia and the US threatening to start shooting at each other. Id bet we are closer right now than 2 min.

From a tweet. Insane.


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We are probably the closest we have ever been to a nuclear war. (Original Post) Eko Apr 2018 OP
Trust manor321 Apr 2018 #1
A belated welcome to DU. I just hope the European countries have not shared much rzemanfl Apr 2018 #4
Putin and Trump don't want a nuclear war. HopeAgain Apr 2018 #2
a tweet from a twit NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #3
all of a sudden I feel like I am being attacked by American flags lol Eko Apr 2018 #5
No. Its just two co-conspirators doing a bad acting job. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #6
More flags!!!! you all are killing me lol. Eko Apr 2018 #7
Apparently you weren't around for the Cuban missile crisis, doc03 Apr 2018 #8
Only time we were ever at DefCon 2 . . . hatrack Apr 2018 #9
Could we be at DefCon 2 now and we dont know it? Eko Apr 2018 #11
What? hatrack Apr 2018 #12
We actually went to Defcon2 Eko Apr 2018 #14
Thats a good argument. Eko Apr 2018 #10
everything putin and drumpf do is choreographed Takket Apr 2018 #13
I don't get that sense misanthrope Apr 2018 #15
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
1. Trust
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:14 PM
Apr 2018

I just don't get why people trust what Trump is saying. I have little doubt Trump and Putin have arranged this dance.

rzemanfl

(29,567 posts)
4. A belated welcome to DU. I just hope the European countries have not shared much
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:29 PM
Apr 2018

with Drumpf about their plans. I agree this is a choreographed show as far a Drumpf and Vlad are concerned. Drumpf will fire missiles. Putin will claim to have shot them down. Drumpf will say something stupid like "nuh-uh" and we will go back to talking about Stormy Daniels and Donald's wee wee. The U.S. will be out millions for a fireworks show in the desert.

Eko

(7,338 posts)
5. all of a sudden I feel like I am being attacked by American flags lol
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:37 PM
Apr 2018

upside down and right side up!!!!!! lol.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
6. No. Its just two co-conspirators doing a bad acting job.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:47 PM
Apr 2018

In the end, the worst that will happen is that another empty Syrian airbase gets bombed. No one should buy any of this.

Eko

(7,338 posts)
7. More flags!!!! you all are killing me lol.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 08:58 PM
Apr 2018

It could be, but the rhetoric has increased by magnitudes.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
8. Apparently you weren't around for the Cuban missile crisis,
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:52 PM
Apr 2018

I think that was by far worse. One exception Kennedy and Khrushchev were not nuts.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
9. Only time we were ever at DefCon 2 . . .
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:05 PM
Apr 2018

1. The Cubans had independent launch capability, and Castro said years later that if we'd gone in with a full-scale invasion, he would have launched.

2. US bombers routinely flew past their fail-safe points throughout the Crisis.

3. A test tape mistakenly running on a SAC computer showed a launch from Cuba with impact near Tampa.

4. PAL (Permissive Action Lock) systems - essentially, multi-stage launch safeguards - were not in place for the first Minuteman wings that had just come on line.

5. Two of three launch officers on board the B-59, a Soviet sub, agreed to fire a nuclear torpedo after US sailors dropped practice depth charges (about the size of a grenade) to warn the sub away from the blockade line. Luckily, all three launch officers had to concur.

6. Responding to a U2 overflight of the Soviet Far East, the USSR scrambled fighters from Wrangel island; USAF responded with F-102s armed with nuclear air-to-air missiles.

And that's not all. We came much, much closer than was generally known at the time.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
12. What?
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:15 PM
Apr 2018

No, no way.

There would be national alerts and recalls for all armed forces personnel, fleets putting to sea, aircraft staging to bases around the world, mobilization of regular and (potentially) reserve units.

It would be the only story on the news if it happened.

Eko

(7,338 posts)
10. Thats a good argument.
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:09 PM
Apr 2018

But if you look at the timeline it doesn't quite show that. I fully understand that at that time it could have dipped lower than 2 though.
Thanks,
Eko

Takket

(21,616 posts)
13. everything putin and drumpf do is choreographed
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:19 PM
Apr 2018

don't let the false bravado and heated words fool you, they are the same team, doing all this for show

misanthrope

(7,421 posts)
15. I don't get that sense
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:47 AM
Apr 2018

All Trump is missing is an upcoming tweet with the time, place and target of the missile strikes so his buddies overseas are thoroughly warned about upcoming kabuki.

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