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turbinetree

(24,710 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:32 AM Apr 2018

Finland has found the answer to homelessness. It couldnt be simpler

“I was born in Liverpool and grew up on a council estate. I had a clean home, toys and nice meals as a kid. When I was nine years old, the sexual abuse started. My abusers made me feel special. They gave me gifts, moneys, cigarettes and sweets. When I was 13 I ran away from home and soon found myself in the murky world of prostitution on the streets. My life was out of control.”

This is how it all started for Simon. I met him 23 years later at SCT, a local charity I help to run in east London that offers support to people who are homeless and face alcohol and drug addiction. He used to make me coffee every morning at the social enterprise cafe we run. In the intervening period he had spent years in and out of hostels and institutions, as well as long spells on the streets.

When I met him, Simon was sober and working for the first time in years. He said at the time that SCT “offered me the opportunity to get my life back on track. Life is worth living now. I’m looking forward to my future.” Tragically, this future wasn’t to be: soon afterwards he decided to return to the streets and died as a result.

I would like to be able to say that Simon’s story is an exception. But in reality it is all too familiar, as new statistics published by the Guardian showed on Wednesday. The number of homeless people dying on the streets or in temporary accommodation in the UK has more than doubled over the past five years to more than one per week. The average age of a rough sleeper when they die is 43, about half the UK life expectancy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/12/finland-homelessness-rough-sleepers-britain

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The tragedy is that it’s entirely within our power to do something about it: homelessness is not a choice made by the individual, it is a reality forced by government policy.

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Finland has found the answer to homelessness. It couldnt be simpler (Original Post) turbinetree Apr 2018 OP
Excellent article. Finland is truly a civilized nation. CottonBear Apr 2018 #1
They know how to do it with decency turbinetree Apr 2018 #2
Thanks for posting this article. CottonBear Apr 2018 #7
The whole "incentive" idea is taken from a Calvinist perspective. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author RandomAccess Apr 2018 #3
Omg, the Republicans would have a cow!!! tavernier Apr 2018 #4
Republicans want to create a permanent servant class IronLionZion Apr 2018 #11
+1 sandensea Apr 2018 #18
i vote republican so i can keep my tax cuts that i got way back when, AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #25
Ive been convinced of this for years lunatica Apr 2018 #22
Utah (Utah!) did this.By all accounts it saved a truckload of money. Squinch Apr 2018 #5
I recall reading about Utah's program. CottonBear Apr 2018 #6
Yeah, I read about this too. kag Apr 2018 #10
Mormons can be charitable IronLionZion Apr 2018 #12
Utah through the LDS Church has an established network that takes into account every aspect politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #13
This should have 500 recs - MUST READ malaise Apr 2018 #8
Maslow's Heiarchy of needs in action Phoenix61 Apr 2018 #9
Agree 100% Puzzler Apr 2018 #14
How is it possible? Saviolo Apr 2018 #15
K&R. lunamagica Apr 2018 #16
That line in your OP LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #17
I read somehwere that Salt Lake has begun doing this JDC Apr 2018 #19
I can see a "Any neighborhood, but not my neighborhood" cry on this packman Apr 2018 #20
Giving homes to the homeless is humane, effective and saves money. But America hates the poor. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #23
I live in a city where competition for housing is intense. There is more demand than there is supply NBachers Apr 2018 #24
applause for finland .:) AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #26
How Finland helps homeless people FakeNoose Apr 2018 #27
Like food for the hungry, healing for the sick, safety for the victimized and exploited.... radhika Apr 2018 #28
as I understand it, even salt lake city is trying this approach. has seemed obvious niyad Apr 2018 #29
The problem i see... druidity33 Apr 2018 #30

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
1. Excellent article. Finland is truly a civilized nation.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:47 AM
Apr 2018

I recently travelled to Finland to understand how it had done this. It turns out its solution is painfully simple and blindingly obvious: give homes to homeless people. As Juha Kaakinen, who has led much of the work on “housing first” in Finland, explained to me when I met him in Helsinki, “this takes housing as a basic human right” rather than being conditional on engaging in services for addictions or mental health.


This is fundamentally different to our model in the UK, where stable accommodation is only provided as a “reward” for engaging in treatment services. The problem with this is obvious if you stop and think about it: how do we expect people to address complex personal problems while exposed to the chaos of life on the streets?


Sceptics will argue that giving homes to homeless people is a recipe for disaster. Aren’t we just subsidising addiction? Won’t we end up with huge bills when it all goes wrong? Don’t people need an incentive to get their lives back on track and engage in services?

Actually, no. The evidence from Finland – as well as numerous other pilot schemes across the world – shows the opposite is true. When people are given homes, homelessness is radically reduced, engagement in support services goes up and recovery rates from addiction are comparable to a “treatment first” approach. Even more impressive is that there are overall savings for government, as people’s use of emergency health services and the criminal justice system is lessened.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/12/finland-homelessness-rough-sleepers-britain

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
7. Thanks for posting this article.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:06 AM
Apr 2018

I read the Guardian online each day. I find it to be generally an excellent news source. I find that the best North American news is usually from the Guardian and the BBC.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
21. The whole "incentive" idea is taken from a Calvinist perspective.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

That perspective is that people are intrinsically bad and must be made to suffer their folly and should only be rewarded for righteousness. The reality from a Humanistic perspective is that people will do what they need to do for survival. Those of us who are in relative comfort and who have not faced that kind of existential threat, don't really seem to understand what people will do to survive, to cope with tremendous pain, to subsist.

Maslow created the Hierarchy of Needs pyramid as the basis for Humanistic Psychology describing motivations for people, with Subsistence or survival needs being the base and Self Actualization being the narrow point of the pyramid.

People are not going to be able to focus, in most cases, on the kind of "beyond the self" thinking that is needed for self improvement, when they don't know where they are going to sleep at night or when their next meal is coming. When those needs are met, then people can move on to more complex social needs. If there is a loving community, whether through family or friends, that helps people then move on to working on themselves and their self image. Finally, when a person has the space to figure out where they belong in the world, then, they can move on to how they will contribute and what kind of legacy they might leave.

Finland and other countries seem to be figuring that out. Hopefully, one day the US will do so.

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

tavernier

(12,396 posts)
4. Omg, the Republicans would have a cow!!!
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

They would rather skip Christmas than give a needy person a helping hand!

IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
11. Republicans want to create a permanent servant class
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

so they want to keep people needy, desperate, and subservient. That's why they put all sorts of draconian restrictions on benefits and obsess over imaginary scenarios of people abusing the system.

AllaN01Bear

(18,353 posts)
25. i vote republican so i can keep my tax cuts that i got way back when,
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:01 PM
Apr 2018

and this guy will pay for it. ( i dont want to pay my taxes is the whine .)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. Ive been convinced of this for years
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:48 PM
Apr 2018

Make people so poor that in order to survive they will be servants of the wealthy at rock bottom pay. The same with working in their factories and corporations for minimum pay. The poor young people will have no choice but to go into the military in order to get paid a paltry sum and do the bidding of their masters.

They think they’re brilliant.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
6. I recall reading about Utah's program.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:02 AM
Apr 2018

It’s a no brainer. The solution to homelessness is a home.

kag

(4,079 posts)
10. Yeah, I read about this too.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

I think it might just be the Salt Lake City area, but I could be wrong on that. But it certainly seems like a no-brainer.

IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
12. Mormons can be charitable
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:53 AM
Apr 2018

Sometimes avoiding the vices of life can help people think straight in certain scenarios. (that statement could apply to homeless people or Mormons)

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
13. Utah through the LDS Church has an established network that takes into account every aspect
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:02 PM
Apr 2018

of those people's who have fallen by the wayside's needs; food, clothing shelter, meaningful work, etc. They grow their own food and have food banks that in addition to providing food and shelter, offer work. They have social services offices that provide assistance. They take strangers into their homes. Some here may not agree with their Church, but this is one area where they get it right. When I visited there, I was thoroughly impressed with their Church's social safety net. I was surprised by the number of family's that had adopted minority children.

Phoenix61

(17,015 posts)
9. Maslow's Heiarchy of needs in action
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:21 AM
Apr 2018

How can anyone expect someone to have the energy to engage in treatment when all of their energy is spent seeking food and shelter?

Saviolo

(3,283 posts)
15. How is it possible?
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:28 PM
Apr 2018

That the wealthiest nation in the history of the world somehow has such a problem with poverty and homelessness?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
17. That line in your OP
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:32 PM
Apr 2018

"The tragedy is that it’s entirely within our power to do something about it: homelessness is not a choice made by the individual, it is a reality forced by government policy."

Good luck with ever even being able to say that here. Even the MSNBC wouldn't dare say that last phrase on air.

JDC

(10,130 posts)
19. I read somehwere that Salt Lake has begun doing this
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

They found it was more economical to build homes for the homeless than "traditional shelter" methods.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
20. I can see a "Any neighborhood, but not my neighborhood" cry on this
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

Test it out on the wealthy areas of the country and see how it floats. Middle class areas where people are trying to survive day-to-day and , in many cases, their only tangible asset is their homes is not going to welcome this type of program. And yet, that is where it will be tried out.

SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
23. Giving homes to the homeless is humane, effective and saves money. But America hates the poor.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

The reason we have homelessness in America is that we hate the poor. I remember when I first heard a poverty law professor tell me that, I was shocked. I thought, how can that be? How can people hate someone just because they are poor? I was so young and naive then. I now know he spoke the truth.

America's old Puritan beliefs that poverty is caused by laziness, that poverty is a moral failing, continues to hold sway to this day. Until that changes, we will continue to have poverty and homelessness.

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/11/why_we_hate_poor_people_partner/

NBachers

(17,135 posts)
24. I live in a city where competition for housing is intense. There is more demand than there is supply
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

Would housing be built out in the country somewhere as a new development?

radhika

(1,008 posts)
28. Like food for the hungry, healing for the sick, safety for the victimized and exploited....
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:29 PM
Apr 2018

On and on...we refuse to follow the simple directives shared by most religions.

The solution to these so-called social problems are expressed right in the statement of the problem.Just do it. But we humans are so reluctant to give anything to each other we sit back and tsk tsk on how to fix this mysterious problem. And then we choose leaders who are all too willing to do our dirty work under color of authority for profit - by passing laws, exclusions and penalties.

Only thing humans won't do is work together to create a sharing sustainable economy that gives all of us ability to live a life of dignity and sufficiency.

niyad

(113,527 posts)
29. as I understand it, even salt lake city is trying this approach. has seemed obvious
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 02:36 PM
Apr 2018

to me for years.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
30. The problem i see...
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

is that the areas with the most homeless are also the areas where housing stock is limited and tight. How can we find housing for the indigent when people with jobs can't afford the housing in these areas?


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