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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeems like someone finally told Trump why the TPP, in principle, is worth pursuing
Apart from "what are the specifics in the deal" which is a separate issue, the Trans-Pacific Partnership was, in principle, a bulwark against Chinese hegemony in Asian markets.
After finally figuring out that a bi-lateral trade war with China (a) has no winners, and (b) mostly hurts Trump's base, comes this:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/12/trump-tpp-trade-pact-519128
President Donald Trump directed two of his top aides to study the possibility of re-engaging in negotiations over the Trans-Pacific Partnership, Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said in an interview Thursday. The move would be a huge policy swing for Trump, a free-trade skeptic who walked away from the massive trade pact after winning the presidency.
At a meeting with pro-trade senators and governors, Trump directed economic adviser Larry Kudlow and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to scope out whether re-entering TPP talks makes sense, Sasse said. The trade deal, negotiated by President Barack Obama, would aid the United States in isolating China by crafting agreements with many of its neighbors.
The problem with being stupid is having to be constantly brought up to speed on the most basic information that everyone else already knows.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,116 posts)We heard about the downside to it, we heard that all day everyday and it was overwhelming as to how bad the downs were, assuming we were being fed correct info.
But the upside had to be considerable otherwise Obama would not have been for it.
Blue_Adept
(6,400 posts)And a lot not known until toward the end. But the initial ideas are what dominated even after they changed but people couldn't let go of some of it.
DU was pretty anti-TPP for a long time. I'm curious to see how it'll swing now after the exodus of various elements.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Indeed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There are certain stock arguments which are applicable to any treaty.
"We are surrendering our sovereignty", and species thereof, is the go-to objection. Of course, that is what a treaty is intended to do. It is an agreement to do, or not to do, something that one otherwise can do within one's sovereign power. If one were not conceding an aspect of sovereign power, there is no need for a treaty.
In implementation details, there can be myriad issues. The question is whether those issues, collectively, outweigh the overall benefit of avoiding a fragmented market which China can dominate piecemeal.
For a long, long time, we got by in the world by playing Russia (f/k/a the Soviet Union) against China. That doesn't work anymore, as the Russians and Chinese have settled on a strategic cooperation arrangement.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/asia/russia-china-relations-us-intl/index.html
"China says relations with Russia at 'best level in history"
As pointed out by another comment, the "OMG, TPP!" folks have, to some extent, departed DU and they had been largely coextensive with the Assange/Snowden/Manning fan club.
unblock
(52,307 posts)We went from being the 800 pound gorilla with lots to offer to the loser flake who begs to be let back in.
Best negotiator ever, lol
Maybe Trump will catch up on how things like NATO work sometime in the future.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)irisblue
(33,019 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Since it is a multi-lateral agreement with which the other parties have proceeded for quite some time now without us.