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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeter Alexander: Libby pardon is Trump "using a megaphone, blaring that pardons are available"
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If it happens, Trump would effectively be using a megaphone, blaring that pardons are available to those who lie under other & obstruct justice.
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Peter Alexander: Libby pardon is Trump "using a megaphone, blaring that pardons are available" (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Apr 2018
OP
"I just really really like people who lie to the FBI and obstruct justice!"
struggle4progress
Apr 2018
#9
My bet is Libby will get the pardon without expressing any guilt or contrition.
no_hypocrisy
Apr 2018
#10
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)1. Perhaps he thinks he will get some support from the GOP congress
who was alright with the Neo-Con war crimes.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)2. Yes. This is absolutely what Libby's pardon is about.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)3. Not too subtle that one...
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)4. One more instance of obstruction of justice
The purpose is to undermine the investigation.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)5. Not sure I'd want to put my trust in trump
How soon are they pardoned? As soon as convicted before even going to prison? Go to prison then pardoned soon after? What if the asshole got word that that person called him a moron behind his back and then trump just doesn't pardoned then leaving them in prison?
Is he reliable enough to take that gamble?
kskiska
(27,045 posts)6. Maybe he'll pardon Bill Cosby
and Roman Polanski, too.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)7. Yep See Marcy Wheeler's take here
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984609999166103553.html?refreshed=yes
orig twitter thread:
So Trump is about to pardon Libby, on DiGenova and Toensing's advice, as an object lesson that presidential firewalls will be taken care of.
I'm just going to assume it's a big fucking CoinkyDink this is coming out the week of he Cohen raid but ... maybe not.
Libby was Bush's firewall bc he was ordered--by either PapaDick or Bush--to out Valerie Plame as an object lesson to CIA people pushing back on their shitty Iraq case.
Libby risked prison, didn't flip on Cheney or Bush, but avoided prison time w/commutation.
While PapaDick pushed hard for pardon it didn't happen, bc Bush had far better lawyers than Trump has.
Here's some of the difference:
1) Both Manafort and Cohen are facing state pokey, in addition to federal (even ignoring how the Russian mob may treat them).
2) Libby was the bottleneck witness. You needed him, or you got nowhere. Not so w/Trump.
3) Trump commuted but did not pardon Libby, then refused, against PapaDick's plaints, bc (smarter lawyer) lawyer counseled that'd be obstruction. Trump CAN'T pardon, for same reason: bc these witnesses will lose 5A.
4) Di Genova and Toensing (who are not good lawyers but pound tables well) haven't figured out that this won't be a one-off: This won't be one (Manafort) or two (Cohen) people Trump has to pardon. And THEY DON'T KNOW the full scope of who Trump would have to pardon here.
And finally, here's the race:
5) Mueller Will Label Dangling Pardons as Obstruction of Justice Just as He Drops More Conspiracy Charges
https://t.co/F7MIR27YU8
Trump has already fucked this up. Table pounders can't purify his pardon authorities. Plus, hell, I'm not sure Pence is ready to play Gerald Ford here. Why would he?
Correct: I did mean Bush, not Trump here.
So we're on a bit of a race.
Non-zero chance we wake up to a Rosenstein firing.
How many indictments does Mueller have banked? I'm betting 2-4. DiGenova and Toensing are not able to factor those in. Do those 2-4 change perceptions?
And how many people will Meuller get indicted by end of day (I expect Stone will be one). As I said, Cohen charges can be punted to NYS, even before the civil case where he just plead guilty.
There are just too many moving parts for table thumpers like DiGenova and Toensing to understand in time to manage this.
I'm just going to assume it's a big fucking CoinkyDink this is coming out the week of he Cohen raid but ... maybe not.
Libby was Bush's firewall bc he was ordered--by either PapaDick or Bush--to out Valerie Plame as an object lesson to CIA people pushing back on their shitty Iraq case.
Libby risked prison, didn't flip on Cheney or Bush, but avoided prison time w/commutation.
While PapaDick pushed hard for pardon it didn't happen, bc Bush had far better lawyers than Trump has.
Here's some of the difference:
1) Both Manafort and Cohen are facing state pokey, in addition to federal (even ignoring how the Russian mob may treat them).
2) Libby was the bottleneck witness. You needed him, or you got nowhere. Not so w/Trump.
3) Trump commuted but did not pardon Libby, then refused, against PapaDick's plaints, bc (smarter lawyer) lawyer counseled that'd be obstruction. Trump CAN'T pardon, for same reason: bc these witnesses will lose 5A.
4) Di Genova and Toensing (who are not good lawyers but pound tables well) haven't figured out that this won't be a one-off: This won't be one (Manafort) or two (Cohen) people Trump has to pardon. And THEY DON'T KNOW the full scope of who Trump would have to pardon here.
And finally, here's the race:
5) Mueller Will Label Dangling Pardons as Obstruction of Justice Just as He Drops More Conspiracy Charges
https://t.co/F7MIR27YU8
Trump has already fucked this up. Table pounders can't purify his pardon authorities. Plus, hell, I'm not sure Pence is ready to play Gerald Ford here. Why would he?
Correct: I did mean Bush, not Trump here.
So we're on a bit of a race.
Non-zero chance we wake up to a Rosenstein firing.
How many indictments does Mueller have banked? I'm betting 2-4. DiGenova and Toensing are not able to factor those in. Do those 2-4 change perceptions?
And how many people will Meuller get indicted by end of day (I expect Stone will be one). As I said, Cohen charges can be punted to NYS, even before the civil case where he just plead guilty.
There are just too many moving parts for table thumpers like DiGenova and Toensing to understand in time to manage this.
orig twitter thread:
Link to tweet
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)8. Why pardon a man who isn't in prison?
He's not in prison, he's been cleared to practice law again . Other than the signal dumpy is trying to send, isn't it a bit late for a pardon for Scooter Libby?
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)9. "I just really really like people who lie to the FBI and obstruct justice!"
no_hypocrisy
(46,117 posts)10. My bet is Libby will get the pardon without expressing any guilt or contrition.