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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:44 PM Apr 2018

Ale (Aliasvaughn) is once again making a lot of sense on Twitter.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984522480734875648.html

1. My peeps, we're at act 1 of SUBPOENA FEST. Trump is NOT going to sit with Mueller, and let me tell you, no way Mueller didn't expect this when he handed over the Cohen case to SDNY.

2. This means it is GRAND JURY show time. There is NO choice here for Trump. If he so much as thinks of ignoring the subpoena, Marshals will be sent over to take him in front of the Grand Jury.

3. And by this I mean yes, sent over to the White House. And in NO WAY would Secret Service stop Court Marshals for Trump. This isn't a CHOICE to appear in front of a Grand Jury, it's an obligation. AND he has no escape bc there is precedent: with Bill Clinton.

4. Trump has ZERO chance now, bc he can't even litigate it successfully, due to the Clinton precedent. Even better, Clinton's full testimony was recorded and broadcast on closed-circuit TV AND a month later it broadcast by ALL networks, for the American people to see.

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AJT

(5,240 posts)
1. I am doubtful that Mueller will subpoena 45.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:50 PM
Apr 2018

He may not feel he needs 45s testimony for an obstruction charge.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
2. And now's the part where we get to sit back and enjoy
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:51 PM
Apr 2018

Enjoy what?

For starter's, their ruthless, baseless pursuit of Bill Clinton come back to bite them on the a$$.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
4. Technically Bill Clinton is not LEGAL Precedent Because he Voluntarily Submitted to Testimony
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:56 PM
Apr 2018

the Subpoena of the Nixon tapes are precedent but he never sat before a grand jury-so this might be a matter of first impression

Note in Jones v Clinton the SCOTUS ruled 9-0 that there is no immunity from proceeding with a civil case while a President is sitting in office but held:

The court also found that "our decision rejecting the immunity claim and allowing the case to proceed does not require us to confront the question whether a court may compel the attendance of the President at any specific time or place."[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
6. Its Not LEGAL Precedent Because No Court Has Ever Said They Could Force Him to Appear
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:53 PM
Apr 2018

....and the SCOTUS expressly said it was an issue they weren't ruling on. Significantly it would probably take at a minimum of 6-9 months to get a final ruling even if the issue was expedited through Trial Court, Appellate Court and SCOTUS so you better be prepared that Trump can extend determination of this issue by playing hard-ball

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. No problem. I don't even want him to be impeached this year, because then
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 11:58 PM
Apr 2018

the most likely outcome is that it would be defeated either in the House or the Senate.

Next January, assuming the D's control the House, we will be in a much stronger position.

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