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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:32 AM Apr 2018

Caucuses: they need to go

Caucuses are disenfranchising in that many people simply can't (for a variety of reasons) take part in them. So much so that it's embarrassing that the Democratic Party continues to have caucuses. Is there any chance we see caucuses fall by the wayside?

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Caucuses: they need to go (Original Post) Garrett78 Apr 2018 OP
i can't see Iowa giving it up. for the other states i think it's a matter of money JI7 Apr 2018 #1
Caucuses and Open Primaries both need to go still_one Apr 2018 #2
+1 and +1. oasis Apr 2018 #12
Agreed... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #3
Super delegate ideas? murielm99 Apr 2018 #6
No to caucuses, no to open primaries, and no to superdelegates Exotica Apr 2018 #15
Let the voters choose primary or caucus left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #4
So voters should choose the process that enfranchises or disenfranchises voters? Amimnoch Apr 2018 #7
Yes. Lets let the people decide how many should be disenfranchised. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #10
yeah how dare the feds make the South open their primaries to blacks dsc Apr 2018 #14
Only in America gyroscope Apr 2018 #19
Proposition (H)8. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2018 #16
Nailed it... SidDithers Apr 2018 #20
"We" don't tell anyone how to run primary elections. lapucelle Apr 2018 #5
There is actually a national aspect to it. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #11
As Democrats have won every Prez election since 1992 griloco Apr 2018 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #17
Agreed - but it's a shame oberliner Apr 2018 #9
Not many voters understand how they work gyroscope Apr 2018 #13
"My way, or the highway !" left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #18
Caucuses disenfranchise. Period. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #22
Caucuses here are populated by older, white, well off people. They silence the Autumn Apr 2018 #21

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
3. Agreed...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:03 AM
Apr 2018

...caucus and super-delegate ideas may have good intentions, but they make the Party look bad. More people will be looking to become Democratic voters - let's be appealing!

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
15. No to caucuses, no to open primaries, and no to superdelegates
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:36 AM
Apr 2018

Clean sweep. I would accept semi closed primaries. Caucuses and superdelegates are unfair and anti democratic.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
4. Let the voters choose primary or caucus
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:21 AM
Apr 2018

Why must we tell them how to do it?

"I don't like your system,
so you must change it"

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
7. So voters should choose the process that enfranchises or disenfranchises voters?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:05 AM
Apr 2018

Should that decision be made by caucus or at the polling station by ballot?

It’s interesting that your sense of right and wrong here is based on wanting voters to have the right of determination about a process that, by its very nature disenfranchises a rather large number of voters.

On a totally personal, and rather selfish level, I do like Caucuses. They are fun, I love the energy of the crowd of mostly like minded people gathering just to talk politics! On that same level, I lament that I no longer live in a state that has them. That said, there is real validity to the notion that they do disenfranchise a lot of voters, which is one thing OUR party shouldn’t be in the business of. The rigid, and limited timeframe offered to voters to participate combined with the length of time that must be committed to support the primary candidates does restrict who may and may not be able to participate in the process.

We really should be looking at either going full ballot (one person one vote, open at least to all registered Democrats), or looking at some kind of hybrid system that will still allow those who are unable to make the limited timeframe, or commit the amount of required time to the Caucus process still have some voice in the candidate selection process. Maybe absentee Caucus voting similar to that used in Washington state?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Yes. Lets let the people decide how many should be disenfranchised.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:24 AM
Apr 2018

Let’s not work to get more involved.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
14. yeah how dare the feds make the South open their primaries to blacks
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 08:32 AM
Apr 2018

the people voting in those primaries loved having them exclude blacks. Caucuses are equally disqualifying for many voters. It is insane that we think the price of casting what for many is the only meaningful vote for a candidate should be siting for hours in a room on a weeknight. It wouldn't make me unable to vote but it should would make it more difficult. For many it would be outright disenfranchising. If you are serving abroad in the military, no vote for you. If you work weeknights and can't afford to have your paycheck slashed, no vote for you. If you have young children and can't afford a baby sitter, no vote for you. If you are home bound or in a nursing home, no vote for you. We can, and should, do better.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
19. Only in America
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:22 PM
Apr 2018

there's a reason why the caucus system is considered antiquated by every western democratic country on earth. the US may also be the only western country that uses superdelegates. is the US even a real democracy anymore? that may be arguable.

lapucelle

(18,265 posts)
5. "We" don't tell anyone how to run primary elections.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 05:51 AM
Apr 2018

Individual state election law determines the system used. If you don't like your state system, lobby your state legislators.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. There is actually a national aspect to it.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:27 AM
Apr 2018

That doesn’t negate your point but there are a number of things the national party can to to incentivize this at the state level. Some states have a somewhat fair argument as to why they do it. With assistance that argument becomes weaker and weaker.

Response to griloco (Reply #8)

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
13. Not many voters understand how they work
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:27 AM
Apr 2018

100% of voters understand how to use a paper ballot, but less than half understand how caucuses work.

Caucuses tend to attract the white and wealthy. They deny people the convenience of a mail-in ballot, forcing them to go to a specific location at a specific time, waiting in line for hours. For many other reasons, caucuses are highly disenfranchising and the process itself is highly prone to manipulation.

Autumn

(45,094 posts)
21. Caucuses here are populated by older, white, well off people. They silence the
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:34 PM
Apr 2018

voices of those who need a voice the most.

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