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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Fire Mueller!" "Fire Rosenstein!" Is there something we don't know?
Okay, I can understand why the media has these ongoing headlines about DJT maybe firing one or both: they're basically saying, "Come back later today for the next exciting episode of As the Stomach Turns and view our ads while you're at it." Fine. It's about viewer counts and ad rates.
But what I can't figure out is why other people (incl. Bannon) are urging DJT to fire Mueller when it's been reported so many times that it would be a disaster for POTUS, and especially with so many GOPers jumping ship or at least looking over the railing. Are these people (pushing for the firings) just not thinking, or are they using some kind of reverse psychology, or is there something else?
It's hard to believe that people who got so far in government or business are only looking at the short term instead of the long term, especially with elections coming up. So I don't believe it.
What do they want?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Just curious.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)If you are guilty, it's not in your best interest to let an investigation proceed.
I mean, sure, you can say that it would be "a disaster" for him to forcefully try to stop it, but it will be a disaster for him to let it run its course.
Take Martha Stewart, if there had been evidence of her insider trading, then she might have gone up the river for longer than lying to the FBI during the investigation. It's not as if obstruction necessarily implies you are guilty. It certainly suggests you are guilty, but you aren't guilty of something unless it is proven.
That's why they are trying to construct the narrative that the investigation is corrupt.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)hell, why not give the nuclear option* a go?
*meant as both metaphor AND literal.
genxlib
(5,528 posts)They are under the delusion that the hunt is invalid and that it will dissipate if the hunter is fired.
For those who know it is a legitimate investigation and know anything about law, those people realize it would be a disaster.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)...could be a strawman. Put out there, over and over, that Trump is about to fire Mueller. Get everyone worried. So that when they figure out a way to have Rosenstein or his replacement merely hamstring the investigation by limiting scope or time...the GOP can say that, well, at least he's halfway responsible and didn't fire Mueller. The goal is to limit the investigation, not fire Mueller
...could also be that impeachment is viewed as a viable exit path for Trump and the GOP. Much better to torpedo the investigation and risk impeachment than let Mueller hammer them for another year. Impeachment may or may not be successful but in either case the GOP gets to act like it believes in checks and balances...and might help their mid term outcomes.
...could also be that the GOP and RW media thinks that they will get away with anything...including shooting someone on the streets of New York, figuratively.
I doubt anyone really believes that Mueller and Rosenstein are corrupt or incompetent. So there are other reasons why they are calling for their removal.
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)as jberryhill said, "you aren't guilty of something unless it is proven." So far I haven't noticed any of the anti-Mueller faction trying to "prove" that the investigation is corrupt -- it's all barking and spitballs.
But back to my question: do these anti-investigation people really think the issue is going to go away if DJT fires Mueller et al? Or is there something they expect to get out of it if he does fire them?
[edit] I hit the Reply button before I saw wiggs' post.
BumRushDaShow
(129,062 posts)that some of what they are doing is "testing" the limits of the law (and the response to hitting the boundaries of it). It's not unlike the corporate mentality where they cut cut cut and until a furor erupts and then take the cuts back a notch.
So they want to see how far they can go violating the law/rules/regulations until such point when they get push back and then back off a notch (and reformulate a strategy to breach that barrier). And with the GOP controlling Congress, there will certainly be no impeachment. And even if we took back the House, there would be no conviction in the Senate because that would require 67 votes. So it is all win-win for them (even if they lose because they seem to operate best as an "opposition party" - i.e., whine and point fingers, vs a "governing party" ).