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brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:28 PM Apr 2018

Any candidate who tells me they want to Impeach Trump now will be cut off from financial support.

The only thing worse than not Impeaching Trump is Impeaching him and LOSING. Anyone who talks about Impeachment today is doing so based on what they THINK he did, not based on actual evidence made public. Starting an Impeachment process under those conditions will guarantee that you won't get 2/3 of the Senate to convict, allowing Trump to claim he's been "acquitted". Add to which, having the House Democratic majority spend their time on this increases the likelihood that we'll be out of control again in 2020, because non-base voters will again see that the Democrats aren't dealing with their immediate economic problems.

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Any candidate who tells me they want to Impeach Trump now will be cut off from financial support. (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2018 OP
FIRING either Rosenstein or Sessions is a CLEAR obstruction of justice crime Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
Got to have strong cooperation from the GOP, and that ain't going to happen any time soon. tonyt53 Apr 2018 #2
When Nixon fired Cox, it took NINE Months for the House Judiciary Cmte to draw up Articles... brooklynite Apr 2018 #5
Different age and vastly different tools today. procon Apr 2018 #13
ONLY if it's followed leftynyc Apr 2018 #11
I have always had the contention exboyfil Apr 2018 #3
Yes - We Need 100% Factual Information Leith Apr 2018 #4
Make sure we get a majority in November, then impeach him. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #6
You mean impeachment alone doesn't remove a president? elocs Apr 2018 #7
There's a lot of spadework to be done gratuitous Apr 2018 #8
Ideally, Democrats should keep pressure on Republicans to impeach. kentuck Apr 2018 #9
+1. Make Republicans defend Trump in the midterms dalton99a Apr 2018 #19
... these things must be done delicately! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #10
That's AWESOME leftynyc Apr 2018 #12
Actually, what we know he has done... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #14
Good to know Nancy P is not the only Dem who can count votes... Hekate Apr 2018 #15
I'll support Democrats. Sunsky Apr 2018 #16
All of them? brooklynite Apr 2018 #20
I don't put conditions on my support Sunsky Apr 2018 #21
So you're saying you're giving financial support to every Democratic candidate? brooklynite Apr 2018 #22
The only condition is the status of my pocket. Sunsky Apr 2018 #23
I see; you give any Democratic candidate money until you run out? brooklynite Apr 2018 #24
Impeachment is not what I want ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #17
After the nuclear warheads are launched, it will certainly be too late. -nt poboy2 Apr 2018 #18

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. FIRING either Rosenstein or Sessions is a CLEAR obstruction of justice crime
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:29 PM
Apr 2018

so impeaching him at that moment makes perfect sense


If the circumstances were not what they were, firing either or both would NOT be but they matter, the circumstances and would in a court of law.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
5. When Nixon fired Cox, it took NINE Months for the House Judiciary Cmte to draw up Articles...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:34 PM
Apr 2018

...much less vote on them.

procon

(15,805 posts)
13. Different age and vastly different tools today.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:02 PM
Apr 2018

Given the enormous advances in technology between then and now, most of those time consuming delays are no longer a relevant issue. Mueller's investigation is huge, far more massive by several orders of magnitude, and it incorporates far more people, events and pathways than those that led to Nixon's political demise. Yet by all accounts, Mueller is moving at lightspeed.

I strongly agree that any action that includes impeachment should wait until Mueller delivers his final conclusions or recommendations so that the facts and the truth can be revealed to the public. Only if justified, can we then consider making such a momentous decision to impeach a president.



 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. ONLY if it's followed
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:55 PM
Apr 2018

by a change to the Mueller investigation. Firing them alone means nothing at all.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
3. I have always had the contention
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:31 PM
Apr 2018

that it needs to be the Republican's idea if it is actually going to happen. I would run on Trump being the GOP party leader. Of course our candidates need to have some sort of agenda beyond being not Trump.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
4. Yes - We Need 100% Factual Information
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:32 PM
Apr 2018

in order to make the best decisions.

We do not need the ignominy of running off half-cocked in the proverbial wrong direction.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
6. Make sure we get a majority in November, then impeach him.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:35 PM
Apr 2018

Right now articles of impeachment wouldn't survive the complicit, spineless House Judiciary Committee (remember that most of the GOPers in the committee who voted on the Nixon articles in '74 didn't want to impeach the bastard, even after they'd heard the "smoking gun" tape). The Dems had a majority then, but not now.

Here are the current GOP members of the HJC:

Bob Goodlatte, Virginia, Chair
Jim Sensenbrenner, Wisconsin
Lamar S. Smith, Texas
Steve Chabot, Ohio
Darrell Issa, California
Steve King, Iowa
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Jim Jordan, Ohio
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania
Trey Gowdy, South Carolina
Raúl Labrador, Idaho
Blake Farenthold, Texas (not any more!)
Doug Collins, Georgia
Ron DeSantis, Florida
Ken Buck, Colorado
John Ratcliffe, Texas
Martha Roby, Alabama
Matt Gaetz, Florida
Mike Johnson, Louisiana
Andy Biggs, Arizona
Karen Handel, Georgia

How many of those weasels would vote to impeach Spanky, even if he'd been caught on tape in a golden showers episode with their own wives?

elocs

(22,578 posts)
7. You mean impeachment alone doesn't remove a president?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:42 PM
Apr 2018

Well now that I think of it, impeachment didn't remove Bill Clinton because the Senate failed to convict. It wouldn't convict Trump either.
Ultimately, impeachment without a possibility of conviction is like sex without the possibility of orgasm.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. There's a lot of spadework to be done
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:42 PM
Apr 2018

Preparing the ground is essential, and getting the public used to the idea of impeachment will take some time. Certainly, the Republicans didn't do their advance work when they impeached Clinton, but I think their goal was simply to impeach him, not convict. Their half-assed effort resulted in a half-assed result, but that was immaterial to their larger goal, which I think was to discredit the idea of impeachment as a partisan tool.

Democrats need to rehabilitate the concept of impeachment, and restore it as the people's constitutional remedy for removal of an unfit government official.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
9. Ideally, Democrats should keep pressure on Republicans to impeach.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 02:51 PM
Apr 2018

Impeachment would be the easiest route for Trump to escape his present difficulties at the moment.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Actually, what we know he has done...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:05 PM
Apr 2018

Is every bit as bad as the obstruction charge that republicans voted to impeach Clinton on. That said, the bar seems to be raised much higher.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
15. Good to know Nancy P is not the only Dem who can count votes...
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:13 PM
Apr 2018

Impeachment without the votes to back it up is a pointless exercise. Taking back the House and Senate seems a prerequisite, due to the massive self-protective corruption of the GOP.

Special Counsel Bob Mueller is doing the right thing -- and very intelligent -- by referring certain information out to State justice systems, where Presidential pardons cannot reach.

Meanwhile, out in California, Kevin De Leon is starting to run nasty ads against Diane Feinstein. He says he's a "progressive," and that "seniority" is not a qualification. Thanks to our stupid system, he could actually knock her off. Now I kind of wish she had done what Barbara Boxer did: announce retirement and give the nod to a successor like Adam Schiff.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
21. I don't put conditions on my support
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:52 PM
Apr 2018

They all need support. I prefer to fight battles post election.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
22. So you're saying you're giving financial support to every Democratic candidate?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

If not, then you're applying some standard for selection. Mine includes being responsible on Impeachment.

ismnotwasm

(41,986 posts)
17. Impeachment is not what I want
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 03:21 PM
Apr 2018

I want resignation in the face of mounting evidence of criminal activity. Barring that—it’s a long shot I want Republicans hamstrung by voting more Democrats in office

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