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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anybody agree? Comey is a God damn asshole who has piss poor judgment
Skittles
(153,164 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Squinch
(50,950 posts)corroboration of those words by Boente and others are basically it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,714 posts)He exercised poor judgment for some complex reasons; his essential flaw was that he was too certain of his own rectitude. But I would not call him an asshole. I save that word for people who are knowingly and intentionally evil, and I'm not at all convinced Comey is that.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)I think that is another example of his poor judgment.
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)All FBI directors are skilled politicians. He knew what he was doing and why he was doing it. We don't.
WHY did he put his star career on the line to subvert our election?
Was he committing career suicide on his own or conspiring with others? WHO are the others and what are they up to now?
WHAT ELSE did he do, and any others he was conspiring with, besides the activities conducted in full view of the world?
WHY is the IG report into Comey's activities still not released and WHY has no special investigator been appointed?
WHO high up in the media are actively conspiring with others to protect Comey and conceal the truth?
We're going to lose our country to these people if we don't identify and take out our embedded enemies.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,714 posts)I think I'll go buy some more stock in Alcoa.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Have you been watching the Republican leadership commit mass suicide this past year without wondering why? It's payoff time for those who put and keep them in office. I suspect it'll be some among them.
Comey could have been/be working alone, with McCabe of course, but then why would he? WHY would he take the enormous risks he did? He knew his actions were repeatedly severe breaches of JD procedures and ethics, and perhaps worse. He had to expect to be protected from the consequences, even more than an extremely powerful FBI director who knows where many bodies are buried could manage on his own.
A nutso trumpian vedetta resulted in him being fired, but so far he's still doing fine otherwise. Only a few in the media are daring to hint at, or in a few cases make clear statements about what they all must know, that nice "lordy" Comey betrayed his office and his nation. Interestingly, Joe Scarborough was among those this morning.
Btw, regarding the Russians, Comey may not have colluded with them, but he unquestionably knew they were pulling on the same rope line right along with him. All along. An "enemy of my enemy" relationship for the purpose, in his case, of putting our government under Republican control, or at very least limiting Democratic wins.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I don't hold it against anyone here to think well of the guy, as I think that's a healthy default position, but an examination of Comey's actions for the last couple of years leads me to the same conclusion: extremely dangerous individual with no regard whatever for any law, human or divine. Fine, he's like many another older WM, but the power at his disposal was frightening. I'm glad he's blabbing about it and I think he's doing more harm to himself than to Trump, who is an incidental player in this chapter. Comey might be no worse than any other director of that agency but to my knowledge no other has exposed the M.O. in such damning detail.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,598 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Comey is not the problem.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)That huge mistake ultimately ended in helping Trump get elected, but he didnt intend that.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Both men witnessed a maniac on the campaign trail convincing half of the country that the election was going to be rigged on behalf of Hillary. McConnel denied Obama a bi-partisan statement with regards to Russian interference. Comey had a rogue New York FBI leaking anti-Hillary info to Giuliani and others. He did not want them to paint the narrative.
Now the con man is trying to convince the country that the investigation is rigged. Discrediting Comey is essential to that process. You can offer the con man no better gift then to help him discredit Comey at this time.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Comey explicitly and publicly harmed HRC to cover his own ass with the monsters on the right because he knew them personally and what they were capable of.
Obama stayed out the public fight because the FBI did not give him the complete picture until after the election. He stayed in his lane, Comey did not.
Never, ever compare Obama to anyone associated with the GOP
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Don the Con is discrediting Comey to create the narrative that the investigation is rigged. At least I understand his motivation even though I disagree with it.
poli3
(174 posts)He released that letter because he thought Hillary would win with a big Democratic Congress. He was so unwilling to let the Democrats take congress that he willingly sabotaged the Dems by pulling the stunt he did 11 days before the election (even while knowing his actions risked a Trump win).
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Don the Con has been discrediting Comey in an effort to discredit the whole Russia investigation. What are you hoping to achieve by discrediting Comey at this critical juncture ?
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)was his motivation.... this post belongs in the conspiracy theory section, no offense.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)If he didn't, he should have.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)The dossier and most of the initial findings were held back until after the election. A large part of the process was being run from the NYC office that was stacked with Rudy stooges and committed to fighting HRC. Obama's belief and trust in the judicial process allowed them (NYC FBI) to betray our country.
The real Deep State is closely linked with the Vast RW Conspiracy that hated the Clintons for more than 20 years. They were/are even more self-righteous than Comey in their moral certainty.
The same impulse that Comey displayed in tut-tutting HRC after clearing her of criminality is in full display in his book and interview. While HRC's judgment with the mail server was bad, Comey sees Trump as the moral incompetent that he is.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)There is a New Yorker article that goes into this more fully. He was trying to keep himself above the fray, well, maybe that works well in some cases, but this is the whole country (and his own SCOTUS nominee) and a host of other things that should have come into consideration, including the environment, healthcare, women's abortion rights, and things like Food Stamps and Meals on Wheels that seem small to many of us but are a lifeline for others.
Yeah, yeah, "Bitter, Party of One", not the first time I've felt like it. Obama either should have or could have lent a helping hand to those of us who care about this country and its refugees and its environment and its women and its voters.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)We all would rather live in the world that Barack and Michelle tried to create. Unfortunately, there are many lesser beings in the world as it currently exists.
Think he didn't want to create any added burdens for a Hillary presidency. He made similar choices during ACA and on other occasions to try and heal a fracture country.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You summed it up nicely.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,714 posts)E.g., Nicole Wallace, Steve Schmidt, some others. Unfortunately, those in Congress have not wised up, and might not ever.
I don't like to look at the world as binary, and I try to keep my knees from jerking too hard.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)all are republicans because they value money over decency and country. Or they care about themselves at the exclusion of others and the country, not entirely but that is part of their psyche.
I deal with tons of em, all of them have this in common
poli3
(174 posts)which gave us Trump
tblue37
(65,377 posts)a Jeb Bush. They have not seen the error of their ways. Quite the contrary: they have convinced themselves that Trump is an anomaly, when in reality he is the inevitable consequence of what the GOP has been doing for decades.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I didn't think anyone knew everything and was in a position to be that determined and that angry.
I doubt academics will know what happened for years.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I don't have much of an opinion about him either way as a person or as an official.
His writing style strikes me as the narrative track in a bad film noir piece.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)James Comey strikes me as a pretty boring guy. By the book boring.
In order to make his book more compelling, his publisher would've assigned an editor to guide Mr. Comey's writing and story-telling. Perhaps they brought in some ghosts to touch up the prose.
From what I've read about it so far, it's probably not going to win the Pulitzer Prize but if it causes more trouble for Trump, I'll buy a copy, probably from Amazon! (wink)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)PJMcK
(22,037 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)It doesn't help that I saw the same actor last night on an episode of "Murder, She Wrote".
unblock
(52,243 posts)i think he got played, and people in his position should not be the sort who can get played.
he should have known that the people pressuring him did not have the nation's interests at heart.
he should have known that violating two doj principles to publicize lame possible connection between hillary and weiner's cases right before the election was not proper.
he should have known that a threatened leak by some republicans in new york is not an excuse to leak it yourself first.
he needs to own up to his major f*ck-up.
that said, unlike many republicans these days, i think he has some principles and largely tries to do the right thing. i think he's someone you could talk to and appeal to a sense of decency, reason, and proprity.
unlike trumpies.
bluestarone
(16,959 posts)I do not like the way it turned out but i do feel this way too
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Like a decent person who gets drunk and then acts like an ASSHOLE
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...no matter how many times it's posted.
None of the Comey transgressions can be remedied. That makes posts like this one little more than an echo of what Sarah Sanders was blathering about today.
Good company. I'm not looking on these posts as benign and innocent, anymore. Stuff this echo of Trumplandia and Foxlandia.
Thing is, without bothering to even mention the evidence Comey compiled against Trump and related in his book (and to Mueller) this kind of callout of Comey serves no one except the army of bots who are doing the exact same thing right now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)You're welcome.
romana
(765 posts)meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Comey has probably never encountered such a corrupt piece of shit like Trump. Then he had no one to confide in or help him. Sessions abandoned him. He had to try and make these decisions on his own.
He could have done so much better but, I'll give him that he's probably never seen anything as mafiaesque and corrupted as Donald Trump and mob.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and let us know how you managed to be correct every time.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,150 posts)Comey and Trump deserve one another.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The smell of them has wafted in to DU even. Smells like rotten borscht
stillcool
(32,626 posts)but I sure would hate to see what you would say about me.
poboy2
(2,078 posts)A WEAPON to be deployed and used. This is the moment to use him. Do not take him from our quiver.
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janx
(24,128 posts)comrade.
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)I wouldn't dare buy his book.
obliviously
(1,635 posts)Demsrule86
(68,579 posts)trashing of a material witness to obstruction.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)that piss poor judgement or acting like an asshole. Tearing Comey down plays into the narrative of the lying psychopath and his crew.
If Comey helps end the Trump nightmare, I'll applaud.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)I don't think he's a asshole but I think he used poor judgement regarding the emails right before the election. I do like him exposing trump for what he is.
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... is an honorable and patriotic man who made an error in judgement who is now doing everything in his power to rectify that error. In other words, he's human. I for one choose not to stand with donald drump and the Republicon's in their endeavour to destroy him in their efforts to protect this administration.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Imagine were in a foxhole and Comey is with us shooting at the same people we are.
Do you throw him out of the foxhole?
Youd have to be an idiot to do so.
This premise is boneheaded. Bye.
CentralMass
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irisblue
(32,975 posts)Link to tweet
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Gothmog
(145,288 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)the email investigation so close to the election.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)In a better world, this could be likened to a little bit pregnant, but in Washington today?
jalan48
(13,869 posts)PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)And as for exercising piss poor judgement?
Yeah, I believe so...although I think I understand his motivation.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)he's either a liar or he's a fool. If he is a liar then nothing he did was for the reasons he said he did them, he's just playing CYA at this point to avoid looking like a 6'8" turd.
Otherwise if he sincerely expects us to believe he had no idea about being alone with Trump and how that might look, and how that letter might be received then he's a fool and that leads to some other interesting concerns. How does a fool rise to that level of control over the process?
The New York Terrorism Task Force used to joke back in the late 80s early 90s that FBI meant Famous But Incompetent...it would be sad to discover that's the truth.
Farmer-Rick
(10,175 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)I'd like to think he's honest but I'm not positive
In spite of hearing what he has had to say, I still do not understand his decisions re Clinton & Trump during the 2016 election.
I do think he made some mistakes.
I wonder if some of this garbage in his book should have been beneath him (even though it may be true)
Some things are not adding up for me with him.
I don't know what to think for sure - still mulling it over.
dajoki
(10,678 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)At this point, I think he was in over his head in his job.
No idea of strategy or the big picture.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)I trust/believe him more than Trump but that's not saying too much. It seems that he got too wrapped up, ironically, in political considerations and struggling to avoid interfering in the election that he, ironically, ended up interfering in the election. His real crime, at least in Trump's eyes, was that he wasn't willing to be Trump's "toady", which is about the only thing about him I can respect.