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Atticus

(15,124 posts) Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:24 PM Apr 2018

Seriously, seriously, seriously---Is this not an unconstitutional military action in complete

disregard for Congress having sole power to make war? I am not aware of any resolution giving Trump the authority to wag this dog.

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Seriously, seriously, seriously---Is this not an unconstitutional military action in complete (Original Post) Atticus Apr 2018 OP

Its a very confused constitutional issue. Perhaps this will be Trump's one contribution BootinUp Apr 2018 #1

Think the operational word is war dhol82 Apr 2018 #2

I realize there was no formal "declaration" of war by Congress or even the arrogant fascist Atticus Apr 2018 #11

From what I can see, not anytime soon. dhol82 Apr 2018 #12

NPR show yesterday - Here and Now, or The World - discussion about this - they essentially NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #3

Aren't we already there, and authorized to be there? unblock Apr 2018 #4

Remember the 'old' one, elleng Apr 2018 #5

It led to the Iraq War Resolution, and completely dismantled the War Powers Act still_one Apr 2018 #8

Exactly. 'We' haven't 'properly' authorized a war elleng Apr 2018 #13

I know still_one Apr 2018 #19

It is a fuzzy issue. If our engagement lasts over a certain amount of time he is suppossed to go to still_one Apr 2018 #6

Good question. Obama asserted he had the right to attack Syria without congressional approval.... PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #7

They are claiming the AUMF passed after 9/11 covers this ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #9

I have serious questions. TomSlick Apr 2018 #10

"If Congress does not act to protect it's authority to authorize war, it will have ceded that Atticus Apr 2018 #14

Or worse yet, silence or even praise. TomSlick Apr 2018 #15

Congress has had 15 months to fix it... kentuck Apr 2018 #16

This. XRubicon Apr 2018 #17

It is unconstitutional. janx Apr 2018 #18

BootinUp

(47,177 posts)

1. Its a very confused constitutional issue. Perhaps this will be Trump's one contribution

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:25 PM

Apr 2018

that the issue is resolved once and for all.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)

2. Think the operational word is war

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:26 PM

Apr 2018

This is a joint attack with other nations.
Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)

11. I realize there was no formal "declaration" of war by Congress or even the arrogant fascist

Reply to dhol82 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:34 PM

Apr 2018

POS. But, niceties aside, attacking with bombs and missiles is sure as hell "war" in most people's minds. When will this (now war) criminal be brought to justice?

dhol82

(9,353 posts)

12. From what I can see, not anytime soon.

Reply to Atticus (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:36 PM

Apr 2018

Pathetic. The republican congress is worthless.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)

3. NPR show yesterday - Here and Now, or The World - discussion about this - they essentially

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:26 PM

Apr 2018

said that any Trump launched action would be technically unlawful (forgot the exact terms or language).

unblock

(52,286 posts)

4. Aren't we already there, and authorized to be there?

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:27 PM

Apr 2018

Yes it's way the dog to use the military to grab headlines, but he already attacked early on in his administration and were already there.

elleng

(131,053 posts)

5. Remember the 'old' one,

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:28 PM

Apr 2018

opposed in congress ONLY by Barbara Lee?

!6 Years Ago, Barbara Lee’s Warning Against the AUMF Was Ignored. Nevertheless, She Persisted.

https://www.thenation.com/article/16-years-ago-barbara-lees-warning-against-the-aumf-was-ignored-nevertheless-she-persisted/

still_one

(92,325 posts)

8. It led to the Iraq War Resolution, and completely dismantled the War Powers Act

Reply to elleng (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:31 PM

Apr 2018

elleng

(131,053 posts)

13. Exactly. 'We' haven't 'properly' authorized a war

Reply to still_one (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:36 PM

Apr 2018

since ???

still_one

(92,325 posts)

19. I know

Reply to elleng (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:28 PM

Apr 2018

still_one

(92,325 posts)

6. It is a fuzzy issue. If our engagement lasts over a certain amount of time he is suppossed to go to

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:29 PM

Apr 2018

Congress

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

7. Good question. Obama asserted he had the right to attack Syria without congressional approval....

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:29 PM

Apr 2018

also, however.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)

9. They are claiming the AUMF passed after 9/11 covers this

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:31 PM

Apr 2018

Dems have been trying to get the scope of the AUMF narrowed for 17 years now.

TomSlick

(11,107 posts)

10. I have serious questions.

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:33 PM

Apr 2018

It seems clear to me that the current AUF does not authorize this attack. There is no eminent threat to the US. The question now is how Congress will react. If Congress does not act to protect its authority to authorize war, it will have ceded that authority.