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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo the Russians were warned after all
There were also conflicting signals from Washington and Paris on what the Western allies told Moscow before the strikes.
Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the US military advised Russia of airspace that would be used in the strike but did not "pre-notify them."
But Paris described things differently: French Defence Minister Florence Parly said that with our allies, we ensured that the Russians were warned ahead of time.
http://www.france24.com/en/20180414-syria-air-strikes-usa-france-uk-targets-damascus-homs-jets-ships-missiles
Maeve
(42,287 posts)Just in case the twit's tweet didn't warn them enough that we would be bombing....
Eliot Rosewater
(31,113 posts)via putin and when rump is gonna bomb something he tells the mole and the mole tells putin
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)earlier in the week and frankly once the videos and information regarding the use of chemical agents was out there a move of some sort was a forgone conclusion. The specifics of course were perhaps a bit cloudy, but it was going to be a missile strike of some nature. There isn't a whole lot of surprises here.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Since we can't trust a word our Trump gov't tells us.
Maybe we should have just asked Vlad!
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The US gov't lying to the public is not a new phenomena.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)abandoned the facilities that were bombed. Who profits, of course the weapon makers. I think majority of Americans know that's why they are depleting SS, Medicare and Medicaid, HUD, Meals on Wheels and Health Care (to name a few). The wealth for the rich and the military and screw everyone else.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"Now - a week of golfing in South Florida!"
At least 'Florida Man' may have other entertainment options.
marble falls
(57,145 posts)"advised Russia of airspace that would be used in the strike" and "pre-notify them."
"We did "pre-notify them", but did not advise Russia of airspace that would be used in the strike " means the same damn thing that "advised Russia of airspace that would be used in the strike but did not "pre-notify them" does. WTH??
Let alone that military and officials Russian and Syrian were reported to have left the area the targets are several weeks ago.
All we do is shift the ruins with rockets. In some ways this is nothing more than a form of military parade. And an example where France and GB have decided to hold their noses and let cheetolini lead. Its not as if the quiet strategist he is hasn't been warning all about this to his Russian pal about an "attack" for one or so weeks.
Igel
(35,337 posts)But Paris described things differently: French Defence Minister Florence Parly said that with our allies, we ensured that the Russians were warned ahead of time.
If you think notifying them of (some of?) the airspace that would be used means the same thing as "pre-notifying" them that strikes would happen, sure. I can see that. You don't want a barrage of missiles going into space occupied by Russians that you're not targeting because that could be misinterpreted.
However, I read it differently: They said missiles would be incoming, but did not pre-notify them about specific targets. If they specified swaths of airspace, that might allow Russians, relatively few in numbers, to be removed. Harder to get all Syrians out of the way, esp. fixed objects. In other words, there's no reason to assert that they mean the same thing. The context provided by the speakers suggest they don't mean the same thing. The only reason to conclude that they must mean the same thing is to force the appearance of a contradiction and inconsistency, and the only reason to do that is because a contradiction is desired. But that means erasing the reading without the contradiction built into it.
If the air corridors are stipulated narrowly, Russians (and Syrians) could have possibly predicted which sites would be prime targets, given enough time, and so there's an additional way in which the airspace notification could close in on target pre-notification. I don't know how much time was given.
I'd point out that the Douma chemical strikes took place a week ago, April 7, so there was no real reason for all the targets struck to be cleared out "several weeks ago." There'd have been no targeting, and it's unlikely they all cleared out from every military base unless they were being deployed, for, say, the assault on Ghouta.
I still find it amusing, however, that "Douma" is apparently a homophone with "Duma," the Russian legislature.
marble falls
(57,145 posts)I was wrong about the time table. The Syrians claimed they had left the targets before the strike. Intelligence photos today will tell if that's true.
You don't think cheetolini has been braying about his missiles to the Russians braying about their antimissiles?
marble falls
(57,145 posts)Pentagon Sucks the Air Out of Trumps Mission Accomplished
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210494987