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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:56 PM Apr 2018

I hope Professor Laurence Tribe's educated "hunch" is correct:




My hunch: @AGSchneiderman is carrying the ball on hacking into NY computers and other serious crimes by Trump’s inner circle — the crimes Mueller has carefully avoided charging under applicable federal laws. Avoiding NY’s Double Jeopardy trap while cutting off T’s pardon Power.
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I hope Professor Laurence Tribe's educated "hunch" is correct: (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2018 OP
I try to wrap my head around the possibility of tRump being served an arrest... fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #1
Been a long time since he stepped foot in NY State. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #9
That's why Preet is always smiling 😁 Wwcd Apr 2018 #2
LOL. fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #4
Prof. Tribe doesn't usually speak up but when he does it is powerful triron Apr 2018 #3
He's pretty active on Twitter NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #18
This, I like. OneBro Apr 2018 #5
Welcome to DU, OneBro! calimary Apr 2018 #10
Is there a double jeopardy trap peculiar to New York? unblock Apr 2018 #6
NY is one of a couple jurisdictions that doesn't allow state and federal prosecutions pnwmom Apr 2018 #7
"can't someone be charged for ... the same act, once under state law and once under federal" - yes. PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #13
There are sealed indictments at the federal level. Do they have them at state levels? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #8
These blogging lawyers say they have them in NY: pnwmom Apr 2018 #11
Have my fingers crossed his hunch is right... please let it be so. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #12
It helps to know the law inside and Cha Apr 2018 #14
Imagine the shitshow if Trump got charged at the state level and used SS to protect him. joshcryer Apr 2018 #15
The NY double jeopardy law could bea trap Gothmog Apr 2018 #16
Laurence's hunch is that Mueller would avoid the NY double jeopardy trap pnwmom Apr 2018 #17
K & R malaise Apr 2018 #19
Oh please, Oh please be true SallyHemmings Apr 2018 #20

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
1. I try to wrap my head around the possibility of tRump being served an arrest...
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:07 AM
Apr 2018

warrant by a state AG... but just can't quite get there. It totally warps my head thinking of what might happen.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
18. He's pretty active on Twitter
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:12 AM
Apr 2018

I still remember him from when Dukakis was running for president in 1988 - if Dukakis had won, Tribe was supposedly in line to be nominated for SCOTUS. Would have been a great choice.

calimary

(81,300 posts)
10. Welcome to DU, OneBro!
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:50 AM
Apr 2018

Indeed Indeed Indeed! LOVING this! trump is accustomed to people just caving to his or Michael Cohen's in-yer-face bullying and blustering. In the private sector, when they're in the "little guy" category and he or his goon(s) can muscle in on them, this shit works. But he's up against WAY bigger and more serious stuff than ever before. Including people who can't be bullied.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
6. Is there a double jeopardy trap peculiar to New York?
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:30 AM
Apr 2018

Perhaps the same question, can't someone be charged for essentially the same act, once under state law and once under federal law?

I though normally it wasn't "double jeopardy" if it's in a different jurisdiction.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. NY is one of a couple jurisdictions that doesn't allow state and federal prosecutions
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:38 AM
Apr 2018

for the same crime.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
13. "can't someone be charged for ... the same act, once under state law and once under federal" - yes.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 04:27 AM
Apr 2018

But New York State law prohibits multiple prosecutions for the same crime (with some exceptions)...

https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/criminal-procedure-law/cpl-sect-40-20.html

New York Consolidated Laws, Criminal Procedure Law - CPL § 40.20?Previous prosecution; ?when a bar to second prosecution

2.?A person may not be separately prosecuted for two offenses based upon the same act or criminal transaction unless:

(a)?The offenses as defined have substantially different elements and the acts establishing one offense are in the main clearly distinguishable from those establishing the other; ?or

(b)?Each of the offenses as defined contains an element which is not an element of the other, and the statutory provisions defining such offenses are designed to prevent very different kinds of harm or evil; ?or

(c)?One of such offenses consists of criminal possession of contraband matter and the other offense is one involving the use of such contraband matter, other than a sale thereof; ?or

(d)?One of the offenses is assault or some other offense resulting in physical injury to a person, and the other offense is one of homicide based upon the death of such person from the same physical injury, and such death occurs after a prosecution for the assault or other non-homicide offense; ?or

(e)?Each offense involves death, injury, loss or other consequence to a different victim; ?or

(f)?One of the offenses consists of a violation of a statutory provision of another jurisdiction, which offense has been prosecuted in such other jurisdiction and has there been terminated by a court order expressly founded upon insufficiency of evidence to establish some element of such offense which is not an element of the other offense, defined by the laws of this state; ?or

(g)?The present prosecution is for a consummated result offense, as defined in subdivision three of section 20.10 , which occurred in this state and the offense was the result of a conspiracy, facilitation or solicitation prosecuted in another state.

(h)?One of such offenses is enterprise corruption in violation of section 460.20 of the penal law , racketeering in violation of federal law or any comparable offense pursuant to the law of another state and a separate or subsequent prosecution is not barred by section 40.50 of this article.

(i)?One of the offenses consists of a violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 , where the object of the conspiracy is to attempt in any manner to evade or defeat any federal income tax or the payment thereof, or a violation of 26 U.S.C. 7201 , 26 U.S.C. 7202 , 26 U.S.C. 7203 , 26 U.S.C. 7204 , 26 U.S.C. 7205 , 26 U.S.C. 7206 or 26 U.S.C. 7212(A) , where the purpose is to evade or defeat any federal income tax or the payment thereof, and the other offense is committed for the purpose of evading or defeating any New York state or New York city income taxes and is defined in article one hundred fifty-five of the penal law, article one hundred seventy of the penal law, article one hundred seventy-five of the penal law, article thirty-seven of the tax law or chapter forty of title eleven of the administrative code of the city of New York.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
14. It helps to know the law inside and
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 04:32 AM
Apr 2018

out!

To all the brilliant lawyers in the world for Good!

Mahalo, pnwmom

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
15. Imagine the shitshow if Trump got charged at the state level and used SS to protect him.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 04:36 AM
Apr 2018

That is, he could (and would) just ignore any warrant for his arrest, never went to New York again, and if anyone tried to take him in, the SS would protect him.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. Laurence's hunch is that Mueller would avoid the NY double jeopardy trap
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 08:10 AM
Apr 2018

by letting Schneiderman prosecute different crimes.

And there ARE so many to choose from . . . .

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