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On Friday, the 13th of April 2018, Mr Cohens attorney went to court to argue for a temporary restraining order (TRO) to keep the Feds from reviewing the material collected during the FBI raid on the basis that much of what the FBI has, deals with the issue of attorney-client privilege.
The Southern District Court of New York prosecutors were ready with their argument that Michael Cohen hasnt been practicing law in ages but he has been acting more like a consigliere.
Whereupon, U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood asked Mr. Cohens attorney to name one of his clients which he couldnt do. Then Judge Wood ordered that the attorney return with his client, Michael Cohen in tow, ready to answer some questions on the 16th of April 2018.
https://grondamorin.com/2018/04/16/guess-whos-storming-into-to-court-to-watch-michael-cohen-on-16th-of-april/
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210500106
The feds attached the proper statute to each search warrant.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)He's been involved with all of Trump's shady activities, so maybe he crossed one too many lines and was disbarred. Who'd would know? Cohen could go on working as Trump's underhanded fixer and still provide him with erstwhile legal advice, just bring in a lawyer when needed.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)has a full legal team to do the paperwork I guess and Cohen's role is much more nefarious.
Also I heard that Cohen was just appointed RUMP's lawyer on Inauguration day....how would anything before that be protected?
procon
(15,805 posts)the private business man, then as the president's personal lawyer. In both jobs there would likely be some amount of protected documents.
safeinOhio
(32,683 posts)"jail house" lawyer.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I looked him up, he has a clean license
procon
(15,805 posts)getagrip_already
(14,751 posts)Can a lawyer represent a client in a state where he doesn't have bar credentials?
unblock
(52,233 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,714 posts)Common among those who serve the political world.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Cohens lawyer couldnt name a single client that Cohen is representing when questioned by the judge Friday
Having no clients blows a big hole in the suppress evidence because of attorney client privilege argument
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)whopis01
(3,514 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Broidy---- the one who paid off the former Playboy model.
Botany
(70,506 posts)More than "represent them" in a legal way.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)believe it or not.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Makes sense to me
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)everything about these people is completely fake and shady
dembotoz
(16,805 posts)guess he will get a chance to earn his money
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)I can understand that if he's not doing a lot of lawyering things -- representing clients in court, filing court papers, taking depositions, that kind of thing.
But why would you have to have more than 1 client to be a lawyer? It seems to me if someone (e.g., Trump) says you're my lawyer, and there has ever been any lawyering going on there, then he IS a lawyer. Now, when the conversations don't involve lawyering, then that shouldn't be protected. But to say the guy isn't even a lawyer just doesn't add up to me.
Besides, he's been involved in many of Trump's business deals and negotiations and I don't understand why that's not considered a lawyer's tasks. All those agreements and legal documents in real estate deals!
neohippie
(1,142 posts)Apparently Cohen went to one of the lowest ranked accredited law schools in the country and still managed to have a relatively low gpa like 2.0 The law school WMU-Cooley law school is equivalent to test prep classes just to coach students to be able to pass their bar exam.
Many lawyers refer to it as a sort of law camp.
https://lawschooli.com/should-i-attend-cooley-law-school/
https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/900042647/Thomas-Cooley-Law-School-Exposed-and-Why-Much-of-the-Legal-Profession-is-a-Scam/
So that is part of the reason people discredit his legal background.
Also he apparently couldn't come up with a list of clients when asked, that he felt were going to potentially be affected by this attorney client privilege outside of Trump, for whom the fraud exemption was applied in this process
So it's all pretty abnormal and that is why people are suggesting that he hasn't done a lot of "lawyering things"
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)...for that matter maybe he never took the bar exam. It would mean he has no license, am I right?
Having a law degree doesn't mean you can automatically practice law.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)But it does show how out of his league he is dealing with some of the best legal minds in the country
http://www.newsweek.com/cohen-joke-gpa-lawyer-881234
Apparently, Cohen used to joke about his low grades
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... appears to be whether there is any reason to be concerned over whether or not privileged material about clients could be caught up in the material seized.
If they are looking at communications between Cohen and a client other than Trump, thats potentially a problem. But if Cohen did not have any clients other than Trump, then thats not much of a problem. That means the only material theyre looking at would be Trump material. That could still be privileged material and communications - even if Trump is the ONLY client. But not everything you tell your lawyer is privileged, and there are some exceptions even if it is privileged.
The prosecutors look to be defining and specifying the actual issues before the court - not trying to claim Cohen has lost his attorney status.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)This Twitter thread rollup shows Cohen hanging out with only the best people
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984902943064420352.html
Who's who here, Russian mobsters, bankers, Trump partners, and so on
groundloop
(11,519 posts)They had a search warrant and retrieved what they needed. So long as everything they took was within the constraints of that search warrant there was nothing legally preventing them from going through everything they retrieved the instant they had it.
IMO this delaying tactic is a bit late to do any good. Cohen and Spanky can ASK for a restraining order, but it seems that until it's granted there's nothing keeping the feds from doing whatever they need with any evidence they legally collected (someone correct me if that's wrong).
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)Louis1895
(768 posts)as of 04/16/2018
Registration Number: 2484806
MICHAEL DEAN COHEN
MICHAEL D. COHEN & ASSOCIATES, PC
30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA 23RD FL
NEW YORK, NY 10112-0015
United States
(New York County)
(212) 872-9849
E-mail Address:
Date Admitted in NY: 06/24/1992
Appellate Division
Department of Admission: 2
Law School: THOMAS M COOLEY
Registration Status: Currently registered
Next Registration: Aug 2018
Disciplinary History: No record of public discipline
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,702 posts)in terms of what he actually does for a living.
Louis1895
(768 posts)I was responding to post #2 and should have replied to him/her instead of the OP.
Strange political times we live in...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)lawyers can know little about different areas of law as most usually specialize.
Or what they know is dependent on how many clerks they have and how good they are. Add to this that Cohen appears to be someone who did a lot of threatening and very little litigation (if that is the case) so he may be especially unqualified to handle this situation.
I am not a lawyer, but this is my understanding.