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Botany

(70,506 posts)
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:11 AM Apr 2018

Cohen really isn't a lawyer .... today is gonna be real bad for him

Last edited Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

On Friday, the 13th of April 2018, Mr Cohen’s attorney went to court to argue for a “temporary restraining order” (TRO) to keep the Feds from reviewing the material collected during the FBI raid on the basis that much of what the FBI has, deals with the issue of attorney-client privilege.

The Southern District Court of New York prosecutors were ready with their argument that Michael Cohen hasn’t been practicing law in ages but he has been acting more like a consigliere.

Whereupon, U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood asked Mr. Cohen’s attorney to name one of his clients which he couldn’t do. Then Judge Wood ordered that the attorney return with his client, Michael Cohen in tow, ready to answer some questions on the 16th of April 2018.


https://grondamorin.com/2018/04/16/guess-whos-storming-into-to-court-to-watch-michael-cohen-on-16th-of-april/

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210500106

The feds attached the proper statute to each search warrant.

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Cohen really isn't a lawyer .... today is gonna be real bad for him (Original Post) Botany Apr 2018 OP
Fixer not a lawyer. Let see him fix his way out of this now lunasun Apr 2018 #1
He has his law license...right? Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #2
That's what I'm wondering too. procon Apr 2018 #4
I mean anyone can POSE as a lawyer or anything for that matter. They said that RUMP actually Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #7
Cohen had two separate jobs, first as the personal lawyer of Trump procon Apr 2018 #11
He may become a world famous safeinOhio Apr 2018 #12
You can look up bar licenses online marylandblue Apr 2018 #33
Thanks! It never occured to me that the public could access that info. nt procon Apr 2018 #35
and did he pass the bar in ny and dc? getagrip_already Apr 2018 #17
if he doesn't, then there's *really* no privilege between him and donnie. unblock Apr 2018 #22
He is a lawyer. He's a corrupt lawyer. Baitball Blogger Apr 2018 #3
The point is that hes not really a practicing attorney YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #13
A "criminal" lawyer, not a criminal "lawyer" exboyfil Apr 2018 #14
That is exactly the scene that was going through my mind. n/t whopis01 Apr 2018 #36
Didn't he represent that RNC deputy finance chair? femmocrat Apr 2018 #5
I might be wrong but i think Cohen "fixed things" for Broidy just like he "fixed things for Trump Botany Apr 2018 #8
As of this morning, he still is.. whathehell Apr 2018 #29
Fake lawyer for a fake president YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #6
He isn't really a Republican either, he claims to be a lifelong Dem IronLionZion Apr 2018 #9
trump co always had a shit load of lawyers...i always thought of cohen as more admin than front line dembotoz Apr 2018 #10
I guess I'm confused RandomAccess Apr 2018 #15
Maybe this will help neohippie Apr 2018 #18
With grades that low, maybe he never passed the bar exam FakeNoose Apr 2018 #23
I'm sure he must have passed bar exam neohippie Apr 2018 #28
He is a lawyer. The question here ... Whiskeytide Apr 2018 #25
Who are Cohen's associates here neohippie Apr 2018 #16
I'd bet the feds has been through those documents very thoroughly already groundloop Apr 2018 #19
Hopefully they didnt take the weekend off. Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #24
Registered in New York Louis1895 Apr 2018 #20
He can have a law license and still not be a lawyer The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #27
True... Louis1895 Apr 2018 #34
Latest...he says he has three clients and wants independent Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2018 #21
fitting. Lawyer who isn't a lawyer working for a president that isn't a president. nt. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #26
Good one! The law is such a VAST area of expertise, even very well educated, smart Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #30
He's is the original Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer... smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #31
He's more a jack of all asses. nt Xipe Totec Apr 2018 #32

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. That's what I'm wondering too.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:24 AM
Apr 2018

He's been involved with all of Trump's shady activities, so maybe he crossed one too many lines and was disbarred. Who'd would know? Cohen could go on working as Trump's underhanded fixer and still provide him with erstwhile legal advice, just bring in a lawyer when needed.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
7. I mean anyone can POSE as a lawyer or anything for that matter. They said that RUMP actually
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:28 AM
Apr 2018

has a full legal team to do the paperwork I guess and Cohen's role is much more nefarious.

Also I heard that Cohen was just appointed RUMP's lawyer on Inauguration day....how would anything before that be protected?

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. Cohen had two separate jobs, first as the personal lawyer of Trump
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:39 AM
Apr 2018

the private business man, then as the president's personal lawyer. In both jobs there would likely be some amount of protected documents.

getagrip_already

(14,751 posts)
17. and did he pass the bar in ny and dc?
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:21 PM
Apr 2018

Can a lawyer represent a client in a state where he doesn't have bar credentials?

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
13. The point is that hes not really a practicing attorney
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

Cohen’s lawyer couldn’t name a single client that Cohen is representing when questioned by the judge Friday

Having no clients blows a big hole in the suppress evidence because of attorney client privilege argument

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
5. Didn't he represent that RNC deputy finance chair?
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:25 AM
Apr 2018

Broidy---- the one who paid off the former Playboy model.

Botany

(70,506 posts)
8. I might be wrong but i think Cohen "fixed things" for Broidy just like he "fixed things for Trump
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:29 AM
Apr 2018

More than "represent them" in a legal way.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
9. He isn't really a Republican either, he claims to be a lifelong Dem
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:32 AM
Apr 2018

everything about these people is completely fake and shady

dembotoz

(16,805 posts)
10. trump co always had a shit load of lawyers...i always thought of cohen as more admin than front line
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 10:38 AM
Apr 2018

guess he will get a chance to earn his money

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
15. I guess I'm confused
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 11:07 AM
Apr 2018

I can understand that if he's not doing a lot of lawyering things -- representing clients in court, filing court papers, taking depositions, that kind of thing.

But why would you have to have more than 1 client to be a lawyer? It seems to me if someone (e.g., Trump) says you're my lawyer, and there has ever been any lawyering going on there, then he IS a lawyer. Now, when the conversations don't involve lawyering, then that shouldn't be protected. But to say the guy isn't even a lawyer just doesn't add up to me.

Besides, he's been involved in many of Trump's business deals and negotiations and I don't understand why that's not considered a lawyer's tasks. All those agreements and legal documents in real estate deals!

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
18. Maybe this will help
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:22 PM
Apr 2018

Apparently Cohen went to one of the lowest ranked accredited law schools in the country and still managed to have a relatively low gpa like 2.0 The law school WMU-Cooley law school is equivalent to test prep classes just to coach students to be able to pass their bar exam.

Many lawyers refer to it as a sort of law camp.

https://lawschooli.com/should-i-attend-cooley-law-school/


https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/900042647/Thomas-Cooley-Law-School-Exposed-and-Why-Much-of-the-Legal-Profession-is-a-Scam/



So that is part of the reason people discredit his legal background.


Also he apparently couldn't come up with a list of clients when asked, that he felt were going to potentially be affected by this attorney client privilege outside of Trump, for whom the fraud exemption was applied in this process

So it's all pretty abnormal and that is why people are suggesting that he hasn't done a lot of "lawyering things"

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
23. With grades that low, maybe he never passed the bar exam
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:07 PM
Apr 2018

...for that matter maybe he never took the bar exam. It would mean he has no license, am I right?
Having a law degree doesn't mean you can automatically practice law.



neohippie

(1,142 posts)
28. I'm sure he must have passed bar exam
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:16 PM
Apr 2018

But it does show how out of his league he is dealing with some of the best legal minds in the country


http://www.newsweek.com/cohen-joke-gpa-lawyer-881234


Apparently, Cohen used to joke about his low grades

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
25. He is a lawyer. The question here ...
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:13 PM
Apr 2018

... appears to be whether there is any reason to be concerned over whether or not privileged material about clients could be caught up in the material seized.

If they are looking at communications between Cohen and a client other than Trump, that’s potentially a problem. But if Cohen did not have any clients other than Trump, then that’s not much of a problem. That means the only material they’re looking at would be Trump material. That could still be privileged material and communications - even if Trump is the ONLY client. But not everything you tell your lawyer is privileged, and there are some exceptions even if it is privileged.

The prosecutors look to be defining and specifying the actual issues before the court - not trying to claim Cohen has lost his attorney status.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
16. Who are Cohen's associates here
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:15 PM
Apr 2018

This Twitter thread rollup shows Cohen hanging out with only the best people


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/984902943064420352.html



Who's who here, Russian mobsters, bankers, Trump partners, and so on

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
19. I'd bet the feds has been through those documents very thoroughly already
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:22 PM
Apr 2018

They had a search warrant and retrieved what they needed. So long as everything they took was within the constraints of that search warrant there was nothing legally preventing them from going through everything they retrieved the instant they had it.

IMO this delaying tactic is a bit late to do any good. Cohen and Spanky can ASK for a restraining order, but it seems that until it's granted there's nothing keeping the feds from doing whatever they need with any evidence they legally collected (someone correct me if that's wrong).


Louis1895

(768 posts)
20. Registered in New York
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018
http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneyDetails?attorneyId=aXUEphcJoRoFPkdf4NQknw%3D%3D

as of 04/16/2018


Registration Number: 2484806

MICHAEL DEAN COHEN
MICHAEL D. COHEN & ASSOCIATES, PC
30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA 23RD FL
NEW YORK, NY 10112-0015
United States
(New York County)
(212) 872-9849

E-mail Address:
Date Admitted in NY: 06/24/1992
Appellate Division
Department of Admission: 2
Law School: THOMAS M COOLEY
Registration Status: Currently registered
Next Registration: Aug 2018

Disciplinary History: No record of public discipline

Louis1895

(768 posts)
34. True...
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:40 PM
Apr 2018

I was responding to post #2 and should have replied to him/her instead of the OP.

Strange political times we live in...

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
30. Good one! The law is such a VAST area of expertise, even very well educated, smart
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:18 PM
Apr 2018

lawyers can know little about different areas of law as most usually specialize.

Or what they know is dependent on how many clerks they have and how good they are. Add to this that Cohen appears to be someone who did a lot of threatening and very little litigation (if that is the case) so he may be especially unqualified to handle this situation.

I am not a lawyer, but this is my understanding.

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