but not Phelps, Marion Jones, etc.

It's just sour grapes and jingoism by the American coach. I hope the bigots choke on it.

Not sour grapes at all

I also don;t understand why you are singling out the American coach -- other coaches and athletes have been murmuring about it. When female athletes look a certain way, you know they are doping. I said it about Marion Jones back in her heyday and pooed pooed. It was obvious she was doping. Women cannot be built a certain way without chemical help.

This might have been the only year she would be capable of doing such feats, because it is the only year her body will be in that particular combination of shape and muscular condition.
When I was sixteen and regularly playing soccer, my body was weirdly masculine for about eight months; for that one brief moment in time, I was able to make my high-school boy's AA division soccer team as a starting fullback and play all the way up to the finals, when within three weeks, the female hormones started kicking in big time and I suddenly lost a good deal of the physical strength and some of my speed.

She's still a young girl, and her athletic regime has probably delayed a lot of her development into the body of a maturing female. I'm not surprised she might have shaved five seconds, just from a normal growth spurt. I will be surprised if she can maintain that sort of time over the next couple years, though.

Haele

she was able to do a best time by 5 sec. that is my reality.

and there is the history

don't actually support this.

It's all over the world

How is it a scandal if she has never tested positive?

Someone in one of the other threads about this actually suggested she was genetically engineered to get around the drug restrictions. People are that sour-grapes about this.

clean as a whistle. I just heard on Good Morning America.

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The US athlete isn't "pointing fingers." She's just saying that this person is a drugged up cheater.

They said on GMA that it was said that the Chinese woman 'couldn't possibly have been that fast'.
Sounds like sour grapes and jealousy to me. Doesn't matter now, the Chinese swimmer is in the clear.

which she passed:

part of the story?

and I think it was there when I posted the BBC link - see http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/540429/diff/0/1 which says they added it at 11:10 UTC (I posted the link as 1:24 BST, which is 12:24 UTC). Moynihan pointing out she had passed her tests includes the test after she won the gold.

Yes, if you read the telegraph piece against the updated BBC piece, you can sort it out. But if you were to ask someone (like me, for example,) with no knowledge of the protocols to precisely describe the sequence of events based on the BBC reporting, it would not be possible.

And the race was on Saturday, so when Moynihan said she had passed all her tests, that include the post-race test.

are available, and that the discussion surrounding these results should be understood in that context."

Why you feel the need to argue this point is beyond me.

"And the race was on Saturday, so when Moynihan said she had passed all her tests, that include the post-race test."

No. Not really. The results still could be pending on the latest test and that statement could be still construed as true. It's just basic logic. Again, not worth arguing.

Sometimes the combative nature of the dialogue on DU infects my thinking. My apologies. And thanks again for the explanation.

Just like all the other female Chinese Olympic swimmers in earlier Games were definitely were cheating, and the East German and Soviet female swimmers and filed events athletes, and Marion Jones... and a host of others were used methods that couldn't yet be tested.

All you have to do is look at certain female athletes to KNOW they are doping. Ye is a doper, except in her case, she is made to dope, and has no idea what is being put into her body.

Li Zhesi (also a 16-year-old swimmer) failed a drug test just this year. Four Chinese swimmers failed drug tests in 1998 world championships and seven failed in 1994.

If Ye is clean, shame on China for so much doping that it's the first thing everyone thinks when they win. And if she's not, shame on China.

matter is proceeding apace, as well.

from corking bats, to spitballs, to phantom tags, to uppers and steroids in the 70s and 80s, to exotic designer HGH and steroids and blood doping today. One lesson to learn if you are going to watch sports from NASCAR, to cycling, to NFL etc... cheating IS A PART of the sport. Most sports are a constant race between people finding an edge and people trying to close edge loop holes. As a fan I don't think you can let it eat at you because these things go in cycles and most cheaters eventually get caught or exposed. Some become folk heroes, some are hated, most cheating however is generally ignored.

This isnt jigoism and it isn't sour grapes. Most of the elite swimmers with the exception of the Chinese train or swim on college teams in the US. The people in this sport know what is the norm for improving your times and five seconds below your personal best is a huge improvement in a sport were tenths of a second are the norm between 1st and 2nd. The Chinese have made no bones about wanting to dominate all sports in the Olympics and right now they are doing just that. Some of you are old enough to remember this little blast from the past. In 1972 at Munich the East German womens team did not get a single gold medal. 4 years later in Montreal the east German women completely dominated the womens swimming and the Americans got one gold medal. Many of the East German coaches are now training the Chinese athletes so it is logical to make the connection. Hell even Katerina Vitt admitted to taking steriods during her time on the East German team. I hope this young lady is clean but my knowlwdge of the sport tells me otherwise.