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hexola

(4,835 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:08 PM Apr 2018

Something weird about the Stormy forensics photo

Last edited Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

The face is not as symmetrical as you would expect.

The ears don't even match.

One cheek looks sunken the other not so much.

Hold a piece of paper up and split it vertically - it's almost like 2 different people.



EDIT: Added mirrors of each person



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Something weird about the Stormy forensics photo (Original Post) hexola Apr 2018 OP
The ears are at different heights, which fits with the asymmetry (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #1
Everyone is like that. A run of the mill face is not symmetrical. Divide your own and see the shraby Apr 2018 #2
I can never get my sideburns right...... louis-t Apr 2018 #19
Don't most faces have Right/Left splits...? First Speaker Apr 2018 #3
do that with any photo Sanity Claws Apr 2018 #4
This isn't a photo - it's a drawing... hexola Apr 2018 #7
It's possible the artist built in the asymmetry because that's how people's faces are. shraby Apr 2018 #10
These artists are experts at capturing nuances EffieBlack Apr 2018 #24
First deflategate, now this. John Fante Apr 2018 #5
Lmao...was going to say it looks just like Tom Brady!! Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #32
That's not a young Arnold Schwarzenegger? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #6
Fire Lois 4-8-18! fleur-de-lisa Apr 2018 #8
It's theater. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #9
could be, it almost feels like...... getagrip_already Apr 2018 #18
I have found that most composite drawings look like louis-t Apr 2018 #23
That's what I thought. safeinOhio Apr 2018 #26
Yes, but someone will have to pay David Hasselhof jberryhill Apr 2018 #55
Good grief KansasKali Apr 2018 #11
Everyone's face is asymmentrical cyberswede Apr 2018 #12
Asymmetrical faces are not unusual, and some are more asymmetrical than others: The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #13
That is such an extreme example it almost looks photo shopped. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #15
OMG, please someone do two photos of this face louis-t Apr 2018 #25
Here ya go Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #59
Didn't come out so good. louis-t Apr 2018 #62
Cover half her face, now the other half. No better example of a 2 faced liar . Wwcd Apr 2018 #31
In art school the first thing we learned was that humans are asymmetrical. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #14
Except Elvis blogslut Apr 2018 #21
I had to Google Elvis to see for myself.... BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #33
Sigh blogslut Apr 2018 #39
Hey you never know. Elvis could have been a rarity in this area. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #45
How dare you. tazkcmo Apr 2018 #54
sketch artists aren't trying for photo-realism based on people's memories. unblock Apr 2018 #16
Did Tom Brady threaten Stormy? I know he's a trump humper... NightWatcher Apr 2018 #17
So we could split this image - and mirror the half, and make 2 different possibles hexola Apr 2018 #20
What is the deal with Avenatti putting a copyright notice on the photo? onenote Apr 2018 #22
He hired the sketch artist and probably is claiming the copyright with her permission, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #29
That's not how copyright works jberryhill Apr 2018 #34
That's what I assume happened - just didn't express it correctly. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #38
Although Kato Kaelin can assert his own right of publicity jberryhill Apr 2018 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Apr 2018 #49
heh jberryhill Apr 2018 #30
It's not that he wants to limit the news media from using it, procon Apr 2018 #44
If a publisher wanted to include the drawing in an article... jberryhill Apr 2018 #53
That isn't a factor in copyrights, its about who owns the right to procon Apr 2018 #56
to score national attention in a prestigious publication jberryhill Apr 2018 #57
Nothing is ever black and white. nt procon Apr 2018 #58
This photo of the suspect is jberryhill Apr 2018 #61
Photo-manipulation shows people's left and right sides as they would look in total symmetry csziggy Apr 2018 #27
Artists who do character drawings sometimes use a technique that procon Apr 2018 #28
A composite drawing is not intended to be a portrait of an individual DesertRat Apr 2018 #37
Which of these 2 guys did it??? hexola Apr 2018 #35
BTW - these images split - perfectly - right down the middle. hexola Apr 2018 #40
It's a composite, not a portrait. DesertRat Apr 2018 #42
Look at my 2 versions for a few minutes - and then go back to the original hexola Apr 2018 #46
Any idea what the eye color or hair color is supposed to be? jberryhill Apr 2018 #36
Good question. Odd if that information is being provided with the sketch onenote Apr 2018 #50
As far as I know, everybody has some asymmetry. Take out your driver's license... Hekate Apr 2018 #41
There just went a minute of my life Ill never get back. Lil Missy Apr 2018 #47
Avennati is so good at trolling Trump that I bet he already knows the sketch identity. Hassler Apr 2018 #48
Its ivanka TEB Apr 2018 #51
Someone should flip Sarah Huckabee's face. Ilsa Apr 2018 #52
As shocking as it may be for some Texasgal Apr 2018 #60

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. Everyone is like that. A run of the mill face is not symmetrical. Divide your own and see the
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

difference.

Ever notice how eye glasses fit? One side sits a tad higher than the other. That's because your ears are not level with each other.
This extends to the whole body. One hand is larger (the dominant one), one leg is a tad longer, one foot is a tad bigger.

Check it out. When buying shoes, you always need to fit the dominant one, or have shoes that are too tight.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
3. Don't most faces have Right/Left splits...?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:10 PM
Apr 2018

...split a paper vertically on your own face, and see for yourself...you'll get some stunning resemblances to family members you never suspected before...

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
18. could be, it almost feels like......
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:55 PM
Apr 2018

They already know who this is and they are just playing the media with a tantalizing preamble to a big reveal. MSNBC has been reporting this all day, and the other major non-fox networks probably have been doing it also.

The picture is much more detailed than a typical composite drawing. But it would be easy if they think they have the guy and gave the artist a real picture of him.

Great theater either way.

Bravo. Well played Sir and Lady. Well played.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
31. Cover half her face, now the other half. No better example of a 2 faced liar .
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:17 PM
Apr 2018

Its almost like she's 2 completely different people!

Oooo-eeeee-oooo 😨🤤

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
14. In art school the first thing we learned was that humans are asymmetrical.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:25 PM
Apr 2018

It isn't just their faces either, look at a person's breasts. The science museum even has a display that gets a picture of each side of your face and replicates it symmetrically. It is really interesting to see how unsymmetrical we are.

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
21. Except Elvis
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:05 PM
Apr 2018

At least that's what my art teacher told us in high school. "All faces are asymmetrical, except Elvis."

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
33. I had to Google Elvis to see for myself....
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:18 PM
Apr 2018

He is asymmetrical. His nostrils, eyelids, lips and chin all are a little different (even at different ages). Your teacher must have had an Elvis complex or something.

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
39. Sigh
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

I was being funny but I guess it didn't translate. My teacher was being funny then too. I guess I had to be there, which I was.

unblock

(52,257 posts)
16. sketch artists aren't trying for photo-realism based on people's memories.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:30 PM
Apr 2018

they're just trying to get the key components in place to help people visualize the description.

arguably, the specifically do *not* want it to look overly realistic, because the real person they're trying to find falls within a range based on the description, and they don't necessarily want people looking for them to have an overly specific image in mind.


the sketch works in the sense that you now know what to look for. you don't really need for the sketch to fix the slant in the chin or whatever. you're not going to let the perp slip away because he doesn't have a slanted chin.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
20. So we could split this image - and mirror the half, and make 2 different possibles
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:04 PM
Apr 2018

I can't do it on this computer.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
22. What is the deal with Avenatti putting a copyright notice on the photo?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:08 PM
Apr 2018

Seems like an odd thing to do with something that he presumably wants distributed as widely as possible.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
29. He hired the sketch artist and probably is claiming the copyright with her permission,
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018

likely because he doesn't want others using the sketch for their own commercial purposes.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. That's not how copyright works
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:18 PM
Apr 2018

Simply hiring an artist does not confer copyright ownership in the person doing the hiring.

The copyright belongs to the artist unless she has specifically signed an assignment of the copyright to him.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
38. That's what I assume happened - just didn't express it correctly.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

The artist probably assigned her copyright in exchange for some good amount of money.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #34)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. heh
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:16 PM
Apr 2018

Getting the sketch artist to sign an assignment of copyright must have been a funny moment.

procon

(15,805 posts)
44. It's not that he wants to limit the news media from using it,
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:24 PM
Apr 2018

but the copyright is a legal statement of ownership that would prevent someone else from using it for their own profit. If a publisher wanted to include the drawing in an article, at the very least they would need to obtain permission and include an source attribution, and possibly pay a licensing fee. It's no different than using photos from places like Stock Photo.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
53. If a publisher wanted to include the drawing in an article...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:58 PM
Apr 2018

...then one might think that someone interested in finding the person depicted wouldn't pose an obstacle to publishing it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
56. That isn't a factor in copyrights, its about who owns the right to
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:32 PM
Apr 2018

profit off the creative work. A magazine or newspaper buys the photos and stories they publish, then consumers purchase the issue to see that content.

That's not to say that the copyright owner can't partially release his rights for a one time use, giving up his payment, but keeping the attribution, to score national attention in a prestigious publication.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
57. to score national attention in a prestigious publication
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:08 PM
Apr 2018

Oh, I thought there was another objective in mind with this sketch.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
27. Photo-manipulation shows people's left and right sides as they would look in total symmetry
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018
Which face is most beautiful? Photo-manipulation shows people's left and right sides as they would look in total symmetry

By Deni Kirkova
Published: 05:33 EDT, 21 February 2014 | Updated: 06:59 EDT, 21 February 2014

In a bid to highlight just how different the two sides of a human face can be one artist is incorporating this concept in his work as he takes high contrast pictures of faces and places them alongside a composite of the left side in symmetry, and then the right.

Challenging us to compare all three, photographer Eray Eren from Istanbul, Turkey, presents his portraits as triptychs - a work of art divided into three sections.


Each panel features the standard, forward-facing portrait on its far left, along with two additional images that split the original face down the middle and form a mirrored version of the subject's left and right half.

More photos and a video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2564557/Which-YOUR-best-Photo-manipulation-shows-left-right-faces-look-total-symmetry-surprising-results.html

procon

(15,805 posts)
28. Artists who do character drawings sometimes use a technique that
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:14 PM
Apr 2018

breaks up the face into separate sections to get a better likeness. Pretend there is an imaginary vertical line down the center of this face, dividing the right and left sides, and you can see how the two sides are somewhat different. There would also be several more horizontal divisions as well. Examined closely, it would look like nothing quite matches and all the facial features are subtly mismatched, but viewed as a whole, drawings rendered this way are actually very good likenesses.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
37. A composite drawing is not intended to be a portrait of an individual
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

Your explanation of the technique used makes a lot of sense.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
40. BTW - these images split - perfectly - right down the middle.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:21 PM
Apr 2018

I used a simple rectangle select tool...

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
46. Look at my 2 versions for a few minutes - and then go back to the original
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:26 PM
Apr 2018

I almost comical how screwy it looks!!!

Cracked me up - that's for sure.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
50. Good question. Odd if that information is being provided with the sketch
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:49 PM
Apr 2018

And does the person in the sketch really look to be "early 40s"?

Hekate

(90,717 posts)
41. As far as I know, everybody has some asymmetry. Take out your driver's license...
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:21 PM
Apr 2018

...and hold a little mirror down the center, first one side, then the other. You look like two different people yourself.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
52. Someone should flip Sarah Huckabee's face.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:53 PM
Apr 2018

Her face is very asymmetrical. She would definitely look like three people.

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