Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

mobeau69

(11,146 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:24 PM Apr 2018

Tapper to Avenatti on The Lead a few minutes ago.

Tapper: You've suggested that Michael Cohen is going to flip...

Avenatti: No, I didn't "suggest" that. I stated it as a fact.


Mark Geragos said earlier today that you can check all the boxes on the likeliness of Cohen flipping.






21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Tapper to Avenatti on The Lead a few minutes ago. (Original Post) mobeau69 Apr 2018 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #1
I'm not sure. He's got Russian Mafia breathing down his neck underpants Apr 2018 #2
A federal prison would keep him safe. nt procon Apr 2018 #4
He's married to a Ukrainian woman. trof Apr 2018 #8
Check out Mickey Cohen on that page. mobeau69 Apr 2018 #11
He IS Russian Mafia. underpants Apr 2018 #19
Tks. mobeau69 Apr 2018 #21
That is my sense Cosmocat Apr 2018 #13
Will witness protection work in a situation like this? YessirAtsaFact Apr 2018 #3
I had to laugh the other day eleny Apr 2018 #5
I don't know leftieNanner Apr 2018 #6
My same exact feeling Cosmocat Apr 2018 #14
then there's that. barbtries Apr 2018 #16
Like a pancake. sandensea Apr 2018 #7
Avenatti also said RandomAccess Apr 2018 #9
And he had actual clients during that time period. mobeau69 Apr 2018 #10
Nailed it! RandomAccess Apr 2018 #12
Cohen doesn't seem all that old. barbtries Apr 2018 #15
Avenatti & others say he'd want to stay around to raise them. But Cohen has only 1, & she's an adult Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #17
He'll flip. The FBI already has his electronics, recordings and docs. He doesn't need to open his WheelWalker Apr 2018 #18
Someone should hint that 45 will pardon him even if he flips. ffr Apr 2018 #20

Response to mobeau69 (Original post)

underpants

(182,837 posts)
19. He IS Russian Mafia.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:52 PM
Apr 2018
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-cohens-ties-to-russia-crime-and-trump-w518941

Michael Cohen's bare-knuckled tactics earned him the nickname of "Tom," a reference to Tom Hagen, the consigliore to Mafia Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather. He grew up on Long Island, the son of a physician who survived the Holocaust in Poland, and like Tom Hagen spent a childhood around organized crime, specifically the Russian Mafiya. Cohen's uncle, Morton Levine, was a wealthy Brooklyn doctor who owned the El Caribe Country Club, a Brooklyn catering hall and event space that was a well-known hangout for Russian gangsters. Cohen and his siblings all had ownership stakes in the club, which rented for years to the first Mafiya boss of Brighton Beach, Evsei Agron, along with his successors, Marat Balagula and Boris Nayfeld. (Cohen's uncle said his nephew gave up his stake in the club after Trump's election.)

In the 1990s, there was an informal group of federal and local law enforcement agents investigating the Russian Mafiya in New York that called themselves "Red Star." They shared information they learned from informants. It was well known among the members of Red Star that Cohen's father-in-law was funneling money into Trump ventures. Several sources have told me that Cohen was one of several attorneys who helped money launderers purchase apartments in a development in Sunny Isles Beach, a seaside Florida town just north of Miami. This was an informal arrangement passed word-of-mouth: "We have heard from Russian sources that … in Florida, Cohen and other lawyers acted as a conduit for money."

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
13. That is my sense
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:07 PM
Apr 2018

I am not in love with Avantee as a lot of people are, but he seems competent, and if he so sure, and he knows him, I guess that is possible.

But, from a distance, he feels like Manafort to me. Maybe he flips, but doesn't seem like an easy Flynn type rollover.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
3. Will witness protection work in a situation like this?
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 04:39 PM
Apr 2018

Half of the executive branch would give him up for double crossing der Trumpenfeuher

eleny

(46,166 posts)
5. I had to laugh the other day
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:03 PM
Apr 2018

Some talking heads were discussing how all this could go to the NYC level. And since Rikers Island hasn't been shut down yet - Cohen will flip. I agree. Facing that development he'll flip like a pancake.

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
6. I don't know
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 05:22 PM
Apr 2018

If you look closely at Cohen's face in that photo of him with his cigar smoking "buddies" last Friday, he looks scared shitless to me. I think they were reminding him of the chits they hold and how Uncle Vlad won't be happy. It's like Manafort. He knows that his handlers in Moscow will help him to fall off his fifth story balcony. Cohen would need to go very far away for a very long time in order to flip.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
16. then there's that.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:11 PM
Apr 2018

i was thinking he might tell the feds i'll give you what you want, you give me plastic surgery and put me in witness protection. i'm not sure he would survive telling it all...also not sure that the prosecutors don't already have the evidence.

i really, really, want the law to prevail when it comes to this perfidious gang of thieves.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
15. Cohen doesn't seem all that old.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:09 PM
Apr 2018

he has a family. and what's he getting in exchange if he takes a fall for trump? exactly. he should try to make the best deal he can - personally i think he should still do some real time - and get out of prison to walk his daughter down the aisle or whatever.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. Avenatti & others say he'd want to stay around to raise them. But Cohen has only 1, & she's an adult
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:17 PM
Apr 2018

So I guess they don't know much about Cohen, really. Or the info I saw is wrong.

He has one child, Samantha, age about 22.

If he flips, it'll be to save his own *ss. He's a multimillionaire who likes to live and travel in luxury. He doesn't need to work. He can take his money, which is probably invested & stashed throughout the world (thanks for the tips, Manafort!), and retire in comfort. He might even write a book and make a few more million. He'll be a star on the party circuit. THAT'S why he'll flip. He might take a bullet for Trump, but he never said he'd waste away in prison for him.

WheelWalker

(8,955 posts)
18. He'll flip. The FBI already has his electronics, recordings and docs. He doesn't need to open his
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:22 PM
Apr 2018

mouth to have already effectively communicated to prosecutors through that warrant. He's already failed to protect criminal confidences. He doesn't need a pardon... he needs witness protection already, and the only way for him to get that is to do what we call the "California Roll".

ffr

(22,671 posts)
20. Someone should hint that 45 will pardon him even if he flips.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 06:55 PM
Apr 2018

Problem solved. He won't know the difference.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Tapper to Avenatti on The...