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Southwest 1380 Air Traffic Control recording (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 OP
Thanks for posting Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #1
That's one cool under pressure pilot. She was fantastic. dem4decades Apr 2018 #2
I wonder if she was the captain? mitch96 Apr 2018 #14
He was probably the first officer. Tipperary Apr 2018 #27
One cool lady. Xipe Totec Apr 2018 #3
I did not hear ATC Tipperary Apr 2018 #28
Did to me. Xipe Totec Apr 2018 #29
He was dealing with an emergency and was moving multiple incoming and outgoing flights around. Tipperary Apr 2018 #30
one mistake I heard heaven05 Apr 2018 #32
Any time you listen to PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #4
i am so impressed. barbtries Apr 2018 #7
Yes indeed. Tipperary Apr 2018 #31
Total professionalism exhibited by all involved. SeattleVet Apr 2018 #5
Amazing work... thanks for posting Dem_4_Life Apr 2018 #6
Amazing Woman! Calm, smart and landed a damaged jet quickly! nt USALiberal Apr 2018 #8
Competence is such a pleasure. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #9
Unbelievable calm in the face of disaster peggysue2 Apr 2018 #10
I think most people have no idea how thorough PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #11
The problem with 191 is the pilots thought they lost an engine when they REALLY lost an engine. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #15
And it didn't matter that they didn't really know what had happened. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #16
Not quite caraher Apr 2018 #19
I remembered it wrong. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2018 #21
I'd fly anywhere on her airplane. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #12
Thank you for posting the recording. leanforward Apr 2018 #13
I'm always completely stunned -- in a good way, of course -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #17
Deja vu .. DemoTex Apr 2018 #18
Tammie Jo Shults Suburban Warrior Apr 2018 #20
Of course. When I heard not only how cool under Fire she was GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #22
"But how polite she was, this lady has flown planes with bombs!" mitch96 Apr 2018 #33
One of the passengers mentioned Schults personally spoke with each of the bullwinkle428 Apr 2018 #23
Wow. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #24
Wow progressoid Apr 2018 #25
I tell my kids, 2/3rds back from leading edge of wing, preferably emer exit row. Safe & smooth. TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #26
I remember an accident way back when (I forget which) where only tail section people survived Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #35
Video. Supposedly of the rapid decent Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #34
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
30. He was dealing with an emergency and was moving multiple incoming and outgoing flights around.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:43 AM
Apr 2018

He was speaking quickly, which was necessary, but in no way “freaking out.” One of my closest friends is a private pilot. We listened to that together this morning over coffee, both agreeing the pilot was awesome. My friend commented, “that’s a good ATC guy.”

I guess we heard it differently. But ATC folks are not paid to “freak out”.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. one mistake I heard
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:54 AM
Apr 2018

only, one of the ATC said 27r for proposed landing when 27l had been established as firm landing strip. Otherwise, glad they had a competent and in control captain and crew, all the way to landing. THIS is how to do a job! .damn sorry to see the fatality and injuries. I have to find out how old this equipment is.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
4. Any time you listen to
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 07:54 PM
Apr 2018

conversation between commercial pilots and air traffic control, it's incredibly professional. Some of the best trained people in the Universe.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
7. i am so impressed.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:14 PM
Apr 2018

once upon a time i took an aptitude test and air traffic controller was the number 1 occupation they came up with! I couldn't do it, I could not be responsible for so many lives. i'm emotional as hell.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
31. Yes indeed.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 10:46 AM
Apr 2018

The work they did landing and redirecting all those planes on 9/11 is a prime example of the professionalism and calmness under fire of the men and women who are ATC.

peggysue2

(10,833 posts)
10. Unbelievable calm in the face of disaster
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:27 PM
Apr 2018

This is what professionalism and experience is all about. Kudos to that whole team. This could have ended up so much worse for all those passengers and crew.

Impressive!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
11. I think most people have no idea how thorough
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:34 PM
Apr 2018

the training of airline pilots is. And how they have to do recurrent training every single year. I know that in the past, at least with some accidents, the scenarios are then run and re-run in simulators.

As I recall, when American Airlines flight 191 crashed shortly after takeoff at Chicago's O'Hare field on May 25, 1979, the loss of the engine was simulated over and over, and it turned out it was a catastrophic loss from which no recovery was possible. Sometimes (and I believe there are a couple of former airline pilots here on DU) re-visiting an accident provides useful information that is then incorporated into training.

Air Traffic Controllers are likewise highly and thoroughly trained.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
15. The problem with 191 is the pilots thought they lost an engine when they REALLY lost an engine.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 08:56 PM
Apr 2018

They also lost the slats on the lost engine side (and the sensor telling them they lost the slats)

They pitched the plane for a slower safe engine-out climb out speed which was slower than the stall speed of the wing with no slats.

Flying the emergency procedure without knowing the slats were retracted did them in. The plane would have been controllable at a higher airspeed. They had no way to know and things happened to fast.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
16. And it didn't matter that they didn't really know what had happened.
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:23 PM
Apr 2018

As I recall, they best pilots ran through that many, many times, and even knowing ahead of time exactly what was going to happen, they still couldn't recover.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
19. Not quite
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:46 PM
Apr 2018

I looked up the NTSB accident report. Pilots were able to recover in the simulator, but only because they knew what was going to happen (p. 54 of report, p. 57 of .pdf):

Although several pilots were able to recover control of the aircraft after the roll began, these pilots were all aware of the circumstances of the accident. All participating ptlots agreed that based upon the accident circumstances and the lack of available warning systems, it was not reasonable to expect the pilots of Flight 191 either to have recognized the beginning of the roll as a stall or to recover from the roll. The Safety Board concurs.


I didn't know all these details - what I remember from when it happened was just that they lost and engine and that was that.
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
17. I'm always completely stunned -- in a good way, of course --
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 09:56 PM
Apr 2018

at how disciplined and calm these pilots always are. It's almost totally against human nature, it seems to me.

DemoTex

(25,399 posts)
18. Deja vu ..
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:22 PM
Apr 2018

Cleared to land on PHL 27L in a Boeing 737-300 in 1999, with severe damage to the #1 CFM-56 engine. On a flight from BOS to PHL. This audio sends chills up my spine, remembering our cool, calm, and successful emergency almost 20 years ago.

Suburban Warrior

(405 posts)
20. Tammie Jo Shults
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:54 PM
Apr 2018

The Captain of Southwest 1380 today was Tammie Jo Shults. Schults was one of the first female fighter pilots in the US military and was the first woman pilot to fly an F-18 Hornet for the Navy.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article209178274.html

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
22. Of course. When I heard not only how cool under Fire she was
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 11:16 PM
Apr 2018

But how polite she was, my first thought was that this lady has flown planes with bombs!

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
33. "But how polite she was, this lady has flown planes with bombs!"
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 11:56 AM
Apr 2018

I can just see it now.. "Please smile at the laser, your on camera"
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mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
24. Wow.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:14 AM
Apr 2018

Cool, calm and collected. That's a woman in charge. Oh, I know, both sexes are professional in these situations, just let me gloat a little. Good to hear a female voice in charge.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
26. I tell my kids, 2/3rds back from leading edge of wing, preferably emer exit row. Safe & smooth.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:04 AM
Apr 2018

If you sit in the center of the plane, where the lateral & longitudinal axes meet, it's the smoothest section of the plane and most reinforced. It affords the best protection in a crash, especially at sea, and in the event of catestrophic engine failures. Granted, it's also near the fuel cells, but if something happens where those go, you've either crashed or your inflight and are toast either way.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
35. I remember an accident way back when (I forget which) where only tail section people survived
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:31 PM
Apr 2018

For a while everyone was talking about wanting to sit in the tail.

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