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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:28 PM Apr 2018

Doctor denies treatment to 6-day-old baby after praying about her LGBTQ parents - and it's legal

Doctor denies treatment to 6-day-old baby after praying about her LGBTQ parents — and it’s completely legal

DOMINIQUE JACKSON
18 APR 2018 AT 12:14 ET


Jami and Krista Contreras (screenshot from video)

A couple’s newborn baby faced discrimination because of their sexual orientation. The discrimination is 100 percent legal.

Michigan residents, Jami and Krista Contreras, took their newborn baby to the doctor, and their daughter was denied care.

“Is our doctor coming in? She said no-I’m going to be your doctor, your doctor prayed on it and decided she won’t see you all today,” Krista said in an interview with ABC 7.

The couple is speaking out in the new ‘Beyond I do’ campaign that aims to raise awareness about the issues the LGBTQ community experiences.

The couple was surprised to learn that the discrimination is legal, and hopes to educate their friends and peers about the law.

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/doctor-denies-treatment-6-day-old-baby-praying-lgbtq-parents-completely-legal/
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Doctor denies treatment to 6-day-old baby after praying about her LGBTQ parents - and it's legal (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
In some states, Medical Boards would still potentially pull license for this, especially if emergent hlthe2b Apr 2018 #1
Fuck the religious right. Initech Apr 2018 #2
Exactly. F off Republican Jesus. sarcasmo Apr 2018 #22
I'll second that. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #24
Ask yourself this: Girard442 Apr 2018 #3
That's where I'm at. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #4
Happy for you that you seem to have found a good fit. Girard442 Apr 2018 #7
Surprising - but happy. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #17
every once in awhile barbtries Apr 2018 #5
they should also let their insurance company know TNLib Apr 2018 #6
Most doctors would have no qualms treating mass murderers unblock Apr 2018 #8
Exactly!!! tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #15
My daughter is a newly minted BSN/RN exboyfil Apr 2018 #27
And here I thought Jesus and God loved little children packman Apr 2018 #9
I wouldn't want any such doctor to care for my child, MineralMan Apr 2018 #10
I agree. Its totally unacceptable that they can be refused treatment, but the result JCanete Apr 2018 #19
I have faced this before. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #11
Bad enough to be in pain, but then have to deal with prejudice on top of that. No one should suffragette Apr 2018 #25
Thank you for the hug. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #32
Sounds like your brother understands the suffragette Apr 2018 #35
It may be legal wryter2000 Apr 2018 #12
And why was this doctor still with that clinic? Lars39 Apr 2018 #13
It may be legal, but it's certainly not ethical... TreasonousBastard Apr 2018 #14
Completely ridiculous but Egnever Apr 2018 #16
Pull the doctor's right to practice in public. S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #18
The republicans will work to make this law nationwide workinclasszero Apr 2018 #20
I think they dodged a bullet. They could have ended up with a doctor who was a secret homophobe. pnwmom Apr 2018 #21
Exactly. Their baby got treated by a Doctor who will work with them. Blue_true Apr 2018 #31
That's absolutely horrible. (But what a sweet picture.) Vinca Apr 2018 #23
6 days? Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #26
If the Doctor is that much of a bigot I would be really concerned about the avebury Apr 2018 #28
Time to get another Doctor and publicize the name and action of the religious nut. Blue_true Apr 2018 #29
This is proof that pro lifers are really pro birth workinclasszero Apr 2018 #30
Right wing Christianity has become nothing more than a hateful cult. Initech Apr 2018 #34
Seven days earlier, and that "doctor" would have been doing everything in his power ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #36
Insane workinclasszero Apr 2018 #37
What if there was no other doctor nearby? Say, in a rural area? NickB79 Apr 2018 #33
She can shove her prayers up her mentally deranged ass. Solly Mack Apr 2018 #38

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
1. In some states, Medical Boards would still potentially pull license for this, especially if emergent
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:31 PM
Apr 2018

Because they had a willing physician back up, that probably would save the bigoted physician.

Seems like it would be worth for that state's board of Medicine to hear from some concerned residents, though.

Girard442

(6,072 posts)
3. Ask yourself this:
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

If a doctor has such hard-edged beliefs that he would flatly deny care to a newborn infant, what are the odds that people he somewhat disapproves of get substandard care?

Joe Shmoe's EKG has a few anomalies, but he's such a sinner, I don't think God wants me to do a followup.

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
4. That's where I'm at.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:55 PM
Apr 2018

It should not be legal to discriminate - BUT - for an ongoing doctor-patient relationship we are extremely up front about the composition of our family, and a doctor's negative emotional reaction to our family is not something I will tolerate as part of our ongoing medical care.

I have fired doctors for a variety of reasons, including that they are not willing to interact with me in a manner I deem important they are not willing to battle insurance on our behalf, they are not willing to discuss medical research (I do a lot, and it threatens some doctors), they are not willing to discuss potential diagnoses until they are certain).

That said, we have had two evangelical Christian primary care doctors. The first conversation we had when we walked in the door was about our family, and if we had sensed any hesitancy about treating our LGBT family we would have been out the door immediately.

The first was necessary because the only physicians willing to work with midwives for prenatal/birthing care came from the evangelical Christian community. We went through the pre-birth classes with an odd mix of evangelical Christians and hippy-types - because both communities were seeking less medical intervention during birth. The second was because our insurance company dumped our doctor, and we fired both the two we found on our own after that doctor, so we asked our insurance carrier to tell us who their clients were happy with. We've been there ~ 15 years, and have never experienced any hesitation from him about treating our family.

barbtries

(28,794 posts)
5. every once in awhile
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:58 PM
Apr 2018

my jaw drops at the bigotry, stupidity, and hypocrisy of the religious right.

she prayed on it?! well if that's what your god told you to do you can have it. makes me happy i'm an atheist and more christ-like than that doctor could ever hope to be.

to deny care to an infant.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
6. they should also let their insurance company know
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:58 PM
Apr 2018

The insurance company negotiates the contracts with the doctors and hospitals. They may have a policy against this kind of thing.

unblock

(52,227 posts)
8. Most doctors would have no qualms treating mass murderers
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 12:59 PM
Apr 2018

You treat the injuries and then let the legal system and/or society pass their respective judgments.

This is completely aside from the obvious question of wtf did the baby do to deserve being denied care?


"For the lord said, thou shalt be a fount of hate, and thou shalt spew it recklessly"

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
15. Exactly!!!
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:10 PM
Apr 2018

I am a mental health nurse, one of the things I still struggle with is dealing with child molesters.
I work in a psych facility - From time to time - a child molester is admitted. I still administer the same care I give all my other patients as far as carrying out doctors orders and administering medications, ordering labs, exams, etc.

Now will they get the same patient/nurse relationship? No

However, I will not neglect them or give them substandard care.

ETA: For clarification
My point is : As a health care professional, your job is to treat the illness, no matter what you believe about the person. (I don't want anyone to think I am trying to compare homosexuality to child molestation)

In this situation. The baby was the patient. So I am not sure why the doctor had a problem treating the baby.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
27. My daughter is a newly minted BSN/RN
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

that has been working on a mental health floor at a hospital. It is a very hard job, and I am truly amazed at how well she is doing. It is something I could never do.

You are right that I can't understand the mentality of this doctor. It seems to violate everything that someone in medicine is supposed to do.

As a side note my daughter's closest coworker is one of her safety techs who keeps her safe. He also happens to be gay, and I thank God that he is there.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
9. And here I thought Jesus and God loved little children
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:00 PM
Apr 2018

Silly me- Asshole doctor praying to a mean-spirit in the sky

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
10. I wouldn't want any such doctor to care for my child,
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:02 PM
Apr 2018

if I were them. I hope they like their new physician. Bigotry based on religion is just plain bigotry. If that doctor's judgment is that poor, I'd want nothing to do with him or her.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
19. I agree. Its totally unacceptable that they can be refused treatment, but the result
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:26 PM
Apr 2018

in this case is that the parents have information that I would absolutely want to know about my doctor if I were going to entrust my child's life to that person. That's assuming there are good alternatives to this doctor available to them, of course.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
11. I have faced this before.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:03 PM
Apr 2018

The first time, I was so pissed I left despite the pain and didn't go back to a doctor until I was unable to move. Turns out, I was about to slip a disc, but the first doctor asked me, in his FIRST question, if I had a recent HIV test or had AIDS. I went in for BACK PAIN!

The heterosexist nature and privilege many enjoy let them overlook, ignore, and even deny, this type of behavior is happening...daily...to LGBT people all over the country.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
25. Bad enough to be in pain, but then have to deal with prejudice on top of that. No one should
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:35 PM
Apr 2018

be treated so abysmally.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
32. Thank you for the hug.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:28 PM
Apr 2018

One good thing came out of it, one of my brothers became a medical doctor, and he made sure the rights of the LGBT were addressed in seminars about patient rights and treatment. He was so outspoken many (straight people) thought he was gay, but the gays knew he was an ally, and then when they heard the last name, knew he was my little brother (I had worked at the school and was a VERY outspoken advocate).

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
35. Sounds like your brother understands the
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 05:48 PM
Apr 2018

'Care' part of medical care.

You clearly have been a good influence!

Hugs for you both!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. It may be legal, but it's certainly not ethical...
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:09 PM
Apr 2018

Refusing to treat a baby because of its parents' "sin"?

Ghastly!

What other things can parents do or be that could deny their children medical care?

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
16. Completely ridiculous but
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:21 PM
Apr 2018

better it is out there than hidden in my opinion.

Better to be refused outright than to have things done out of malice as a patient.


S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
18. Pull the doctor's right to practice in public.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

Any racist or bigoted doctor, baker, teacher,...etc. who gets a license from a State, or community, or the Federal government should be legally required to serve all the people who come to them.

Anyone who wants to put their religious beliefs ahead of serving all the public should be denied the right to have a license to work.

If their religion comes first, let them go do work within the confines of their church.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
20. The republicans will work to make this law nationwide
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:50 PM
Apr 2018

under the guise of "religious freedom".

That damn doctor is an evil bastard refusing to treat a baby! OMG!!!!!

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
21. I think they dodged a bullet. They could have ended up with a doctor who was a secret homophobe.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:52 PM
Apr 2018

Instead they have a supportive doctor.

No, discrimination should not be allowed. But I think they might really be better off with someone who actually likes them.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. Exactly. Their baby got treated by a Doctor who will work with them.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:28 PM
Apr 2018

My guess, they got a better Doctor in the deal.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
26. 6 days?
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:41 PM
Apr 2018

So to a conservative that kids..SEVEN days and 9 months old...punishing the very origin of a loving thought. You know, like Jesus would. Jesus is getting a bad rap. REAL bad.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
28. If the Doctor is that much of a bigot I would be really concerned about the
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:13 PM
Apr 2018

quality of care that he provides his patients. I would have no problems with submitting a complaint with the medical licensing board and publicizing the Doctor's name. People should be aware that there is valid concern about the level of patient care he provides since he has no problem turning his back on the Hippocratic oath.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. Time to get another Doctor and publicize the name and action of the religious nut.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:16 PM
Apr 2018

I am sure that many straight people will chose another doctor when they hear what happened.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. This is proof that pro lifers are really pro birth
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:25 PM
Apr 2018

If that doctor was the only one available he would let that baby die for his twisted religious beliefs.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
36. Seven days earlier, and that "doctor" would have been doing everything in his power
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 06:03 PM
Apr 2018

to save the fetus. Now that it's out of the womb, fuck it!

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
33. What if there was no other doctor nearby? Say, in a rural area?
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:53 PM
Apr 2018

Luckily there was a different doctor available, this time. What would have happened had this been in a smaller community with more limited medical staffing, I wonder?

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