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applegrove

(118,658 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:41 PM Apr 2018

The Real Reason the Investor Class Hates Pensions

By David Webber at the NY Times

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/investor-class-pensions.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&login=email&auth=login-email

"SNIP........

The answer to all of these questions is a number very close to zero. We 401(k) holders are the world’s ideal source of capital. We let ourselves be charged high fees that we do not understand, we accept poor returns quarter after quarter, we never sue to enforce our rights, we never vote as shareholders and we never tell our investment managers how we think they ought to vote. We are beyond passive; we are supine.

At bottom, the problem is structural. We are to our investees and investment managers what nonunionized, “right to work” workers are to their employers: alone and devoid of leverage to negotiate. That stands in sharp contrast to traditional pensions, which, like unions, are collective and centrally managed.

For example, the nation’s largest traditional pension, the California Public Employees’ Retirement System, known as Calpers, has 1.9 million members and over $300 billion in assets. When it calls up an investment manager to complain about performance, or to dump that manager, or when it calls a lawyer to sue for fraud, that catches the attention of corporate managers, of hedge funds, of private equity funds. That’s why they succeed where we fail. All of us benefit from their successes, which raise the value of companies we own.

Our mutual funds could do the same for us, if they wanted to, but they don’t. Despite important recent gestures towards activism, they have trailed far behind pension fund activists, and will continue to do so. They don’t want to challenge the compensation, reelection or legal judgment of the same corporate managers from whom they hope to win the right to manage our 401(k) money in the first place. Not true for public pension funds.

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The Real Reason the Investor Class Hates Pensions (Original Post) applegrove Apr 2018 OP
Supine... Crutchez_CuiBono Apr 2018 #1
That's why they're doing their best to kill them... Wounded Bear Apr 2018 #2
Thanks for posting this. An important read. greatlaurel Apr 2018 #3
Bruce Rauner, murielm99 Apr 2018 #4
K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2018 #5
Most welcome. applegrove Apr 2018 #6

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
3. Thanks for posting this. An important read.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 04:59 PM
Apr 2018

The public and union pensions used to be set up so they were run by professionals employed by the pension funds. Those professionals kept the investor class in check. Since the GOP have taken over so many states, those professionals are gone and the pensions have been outsourced. John Kasich worked for Lehman Bros when the pension funds for the State of Ohio were heavily impacted by the collapse of Lehman Bros.

http://plunderbund.com/2010/05/12/john-kasich-lobbied-state-pension-funds-for-lehman-bros/

"In 2002, Kasich was one of nine Lehman Brothers executives who spoke to the Ohio Police and Fire Pension Fund about the company absorbing the pension’s bond portfolio, which had been managed by another firm, according to the pension fund. Documents don’t detail Kasich’s role in the discussions, but a pension fund spokesman confirmed that Lehman did not get any business as a result. "

"According to state records, the Lehman holdings of OPERS declined in value from $441.4 million in 2007 to $73.3 million at the end of 2008. The police and fire fund had 14 separate investments managed by Lehman Brothers that declined in value from the purchase price of $14.3 million to $2.4 million in 2008. "

This is just typical, but every time I see Kasich trotted out as some sort of moderate it makes me ill.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
4. Bruce Rauner,
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

so-called Illinois governor, has made millions investing pension funds. Yet he wants to eliminate pensions and eliminate the minimum wage.

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