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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe sad case of Rudy Giuliani . . .
, , , is that if he had exited public life when he was truly at the top of his game -- that is, when he was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York -- he would have secured his place in history as a brilliant federal prosecutor who had taken down some of the most powerful figures in organized crime. As it now stands, he will be remembered as a political thug, tabloid personality and presidential also-ran, who became ever more a caricature of himself as he grew older.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)Yes, history will not treat him kindly.
Ohiogal
(32,005 posts)Ghouliani and Trump are two peas in a pod.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . and the media appellation given to him of "America's Mayor" really galled me as someone who has lived in NYC for nearly 35 years. The reality of his years as mayor was that it was a time of outrageous police brutality, when racial strife was at an all-time high in this town.
tulipsandroses
(5,124 posts)He takes credit for cleaning up NY - but there was a lot of police harassment of POC
I think a lot of the reduction of crime in NY had a lot to do with the Clinton Era at the time - better economy = less crime
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . the thing people would remember about his mayoralty is that he left office sleeping on the couch of friends of his, a gay couple, who had taken pity on him after he was booted (rightly) from Gracie Mansion by Donna Hanover!
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)He was even mentioned negatively on an episode of Sex and the City.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . that had it not been for 9/11, the most memorable thing about Giuliani's mayoralty would have been that he left office sleeping on the couch of some friends, a gay couple who took pity on him after Donna Hanover (rightly) kicked his ass out of Gracie Mansion!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Most people want to get AWAY from him. He is career poison. What on earth is he thinking? The only thing I can think of is that he is trying to line himself up for cushy position with a Russian organization down the road.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)He may feel that his only chance of avoiding eventual prosecution is to take on the case himself and fight.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)...is getting close to or has sung/been busted.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)assume that he was the man he was believed to be all those years.
Reputations of public figures are always constructs created by them, their publicists, their enemies, the media, and odd events, all occurring within and acted upon by an uncontrollable zeitgeist, and they only occasionally reflect private realities accurately. Some people are nevertheless powerful enough to be able to create the reputations they want the public to believe.
And knowing what a frighteningly villainous scumbag Giuliani is now, it seems extremely likely he was one of those. There is still a chance Giuliani may be prosecuted for his part in the plot to kidnap someone for money and deliver him to the hell on earth Erdogan has waiting for him.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)that Rudy ran all of the homeless people out of NYC.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)and current estimates are 63,000 homeless in NYC. Actually one of the highest per capita homeless rates in the country.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)would put their problems on buses and send them west. Poor San Bernardino in California was the first big California city arrived at after long, tiring hours crossing the plains and deserts on the bus, so an outsize number would get off there. But wherever they got off, Californians had the job of taking care of those their own communities wouldn't.
Of course, with the changing nature of work and attitude to paying a living wage, as well as elimination of much of our safety net, for some time a larger percentage of homeless are able bodied and minded people. Regardless of how produced, no matter how much Giuliani oppressed during his tenure, there're always new homeless.
Btw, that 63,000 would be out of a population of what, well over 8 million? Just checked, and with a city population of 8.5 million, it'd be something like 0.074% homeless rate. Not bad if i was using an apples-to-apples figure, but it sounds really low. In any case, there're certainly a lot of people to share the job of rescuing those homeless who'll agree to it.
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