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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:22 PM Apr 2018

The sad case of Rudy Giuliani . . .

, , , is that if he had exited public life when he was truly at the top of his game -- that is, when he was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York -- he would have secured his place in history as a brilliant federal prosecutor who had taken down some of the most powerful figures in organized crime. As it now stands, he will be remembered as a political thug, tabloid personality and presidential also-ran, who became ever more a caricature of himself as he grew older.

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The sad case of Rudy Giuliani . . . (Original Post) markpkessinger Apr 2018 OP
His -what, third? - wife just dumped him, too. LisaM Apr 2018 #1
Trump's third wife will probably dump him, too. Ohiogal Apr 2018 #2
I remember when he ran for President. 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 Va Lefty Apr 2018 #3
That was disgusting . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #4
This is the Giuliani I remember tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #22
And had it not been for 9-11 . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #5
New Yorkers hated him and his heavy handed methods. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #11
As a New Yorker myself, let me just say . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #16
As Joe Biden said, "... a noun and a verb and 9/11" Jim__ Apr 2018 #12
I honestly don't know what he is thinking by hitching his wagon to Trump. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #6
He's a pathetic old man desperately seeking to be relevant once again n/t markpkessinger Apr 2018 #7
I think he's deeply involved with the Russians already. yardwork Apr 2018 #8
Or at least to see which one of his moles in the NYC FBI office... IthinkThereforeIAM Apr 2018 #18
9/11 9/11, except he forgot 9/11 Motley13 Apr 2018 #9
Knowing more about Giuliani now, we would be foolish to Hortensis Apr 2018 #10
My republican brother believes to this day Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #14
I live here. Not.Even.Close. n/t markpkessinger Apr 2018 #17
Yes, I did a little research myself Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #19
Until the courts put a...trickle to it, municipalities Hortensis Apr 2018 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Apr 2018 #13
Now I just want to see him in jail...even more than Cheeto pecosbob Apr 2018 #15
I will always remember him like this ToxMarz Apr 2018 #20
Yes...it's the prezident of the United States and his lawyer. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #21

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
4. That was disgusting . . .
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:45 PM
Apr 2018

. . . and the media appellation given to him of "America's Mayor" really galled me as someone who has lived in NYC for nearly 35 years. The reality of his years as mayor was that it was a time of outrageous police brutality, when racial strife was at an all-time high in this town.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
22. This is the Giuliani I remember
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:05 AM
Apr 2018

He takes credit for cleaning up NY - but there was a lot of police harassment of POC

I think a lot of the reduction of crime in NY had a lot to do with the Clinton Era at the time - better economy = less crime

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
5. And had it not been for 9-11 . . .
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 05:48 PM
Apr 2018

. . . the thing people would remember about his mayoralty is that he left office sleeping on the couch of friends of his, a gay couple, who had taken pity on him after he was booted (rightly) from Gracie Mansion by Donna Hanover!

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
11. New Yorkers hated him and his heavy handed methods.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:14 PM
Apr 2018

He was even mentioned negatively on an episode of Sex and the City.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
16. As a New Yorker myself, let me just say . . .
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:48 PM
Apr 2018

. . . that had it not been for 9/11, the most memorable thing about Giuliani's mayoralty would have been that he left office sleeping on the couch of some friends, a gay couple who took pity on him after Donna Hanover (rightly) kicked his ass out of Gracie Mansion!

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
12. As Joe Biden said, "... a noun and a verb and 9/11"
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:17 PM
Apr 2018

From Politico:

Giuliani is "probably the most underqualified man since George Bush to seek the presidency," he says. Rudy Giuliani - there's only three things he [needs] to make ... a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. I honestly don't know what he is thinking by hitching his wagon to Trump.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:03 PM
Apr 2018

Most people want to get AWAY from him. He is career poison. What on earth is he thinking? The only thing I can think of is that he is trying to line himself up for cushy position with a Russian organization down the road.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
8. I think he's deeply involved with the Russians already.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:18 PM
Apr 2018

He may feel that his only chance of avoiding eventual prosecution is to take on the case himself and fight.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
18. Or at least to see which one of his moles in the NYC FBI office...
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:53 PM
Apr 2018

...is getting close to or has sung/been busted.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Knowing more about Giuliani now, we would be foolish to
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 06:42 PM
Apr 2018

assume that he was the man he was believed to be all those years.

Reputations of public figures are always constructs created by them, their publicists, their enemies, the media, and odd events, all occurring within and acted upon by an uncontrollable zeitgeist, and they only occasionally reflect private realities accurately. Some people are nevertheless powerful enough to be able to create the reputations they want the public to believe.

And knowing what a frighteningly villainous scumbag Giuliani is now, it seems extremely likely he was one of those. There is still a chance Giuliani may be prosecuted for his part in the plot to kidnap someone for money and deliver him to the hell on earth Erdogan has waiting for him.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
19. Yes, I did a little research myself
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:57 PM
Apr 2018

and current estimates are 63,000 homeless in NYC. Actually one of the highest per capita homeless rates in the country.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Until the courts put a...trickle to it, municipalities
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 01:23 AM
Apr 2018

would put their problems on buses and send them west. Poor San Bernardino in California was the first big California city arrived at after long, tiring hours crossing the plains and deserts on the bus, so an outsize number would get off there. But wherever they got off, Californians had the job of taking care of those their own communities wouldn't.

Of course, with the changing nature of work and attitude to paying a living wage, as well as elimination of much of our safety net, for some time a larger percentage of homeless are able bodied and minded people. Regardless of how produced, no matter how much Giuliani oppressed during his tenure, there're always new homeless.

Btw, that 63,000 would be out of a population of what, well over 8 million? Just checked, and with a city population of 8.5 million, it'd be something like 0.074% homeless rate. Not bad if i was using an apples-to-apples figure, but it sounds really low. In any case, there're certainly a lot of people to share the job of rescuing those homeless who'll agree to it.

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