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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:14 PM Apr 2018

Prospect of a worst-case scenario settles in for Trump allies: Cohen flipping

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/20/1758732/-Prospect-of-a-worst-case-scenario-settles-in-for-Trump-allies-Cohen-flipping

Prospect of a worst-case scenario settles in for Trump allies: Cohen flipping
Kerry Eleveld
Daily Kos Staff
Friday April 20, 2018 · 4:02 PM EDT


Donald Trump apparently made a habit of denigrating and shaming his longtime fixer and lawyer Michael Cohen. In fact, Trump's constant slights and jabs seemed to be his abusive way of relating to Cohen.

But now that Cohen holds Trump's fate in his hands, Trump allies are conjecturing that Cohen—who once bragged he would "take a bullet" for his boss—might just flip the script on Trump. The New York Times writes:

“Donald goes out of his way to treat him like garbage,” said Roger J. Stone Jr., Mr. Trump’s informal and longest-serving political adviser, who, along with Mr. Cohen, was one of five people originally surrounding the president when he was considering a presidential campaign before 2016.

“Ironically, Michael now holds the leverage over Trump,” said Sam Nunberg, a former aide to Mr. Trump who worked with Mr. Cohen and Mr. Stone. [...] Mr. Nunberg added that “whenever anyone complains to me about Trump screwing them over, my reflective response is that person has nothing to complain about compared to Michael.”

Mr. Stone recalled Mr. Trump saying of Mr. Cohen, “He owns some of the finest Trump real estate in the country — paid top dollar for it, too.” In Mr. Trump’s worldview, there are few insults more devastating than saying someone overpaid. [...]

Over the years, Mr. Trump threatened to fire Mr. Cohen over deals that didn’t work out, or snafus with business projects, people who were present for the discussions said. He was aware that Mr. Cohen benefited in other business projects as being seen as affiliated with the Trump Organization, and it irked him.


Could Trump possibly be a worse person?
Also, you reap what you sow. Trump's routine disparagement of Cohen was likely exactly why Cohen made recordings of his calls—so he could play them back to earn points with the bossman and cover his own butt at the same time.

Well, congrats, Trump! Because those recordings might just ruin your presidency, devastate your personal business, and perhaps even earn you a trip to jail some day. In fact, all of those prospects are likely what led Trump to add Rudy Giuliani to his legal team this week, according to Harvard professor Alan Dershowitz.

“I think this does send a powerful message to Michael Cohen,” he told MSNBC. “The message is, ‘Hey, stay strong, we have a really good lawyer in our team, on our team, to focus on the Southern District of New York where your problems are.’ So I think it was a very, very smart move.”


Perhaps. Or maybe Cohen will decide for his own sake and the sake of his family that it's high time Trump got his just deserts.

(The one caveat to the NYT story quoted above is that Roger Stone and his mentee Sam Nunberg must have some self-interest in pushing the narrative they’re pushing above. I’m honestly a little unclear what it is, but certainly people could weigh in below.)
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Prospect of a worst-case scenario settles in for Trump allies: Cohen flipping (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2018 OP
I've been trying to follow this story today BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #1
Ummm ... Stone's is a pretty obvious ploy, actually ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #2

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
1. I've been trying to follow this story today
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:40 PM
Apr 2018

but I do not understand why Stone and Nunberg would say (and what they stand to gain) that Cohen was screwed by tRump. I know that Nunberg has not been a fan lately but Stone is still on team-tRump and said that Sam is no longer a friend and is crazy too.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Ummm ... Stone's is a pretty obvious ploy, actually ...
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 07:53 PM
Apr 2018

It's something that people defending Trump do by reflex at this point when someone from their circle is 'in the barrel' ...

1) Try to downplay the closeness/intimacy (the person in trouble) has with Trump personally. There's not a lot of 'wiggle-room' for Stone here, given how long Cohen has been his fixer and how many people know it, so something like this will have to do, and
2) More importantly, it's to set the stage so that IF (the person in trouble) ends up having something negative/incriminating to say about Trump ? Well, heavens, it's just lies they're just telling out of vindictiveness, jealousy about Trump's Level of fame/wealth/prowess/awesomeness, and/or Trump ripping them off or otherwise screwing them in the past, or because Trump said mean stuff about them.

Frankly I'm sort of stunned that this ploy wasn't instantly obvious to the OP and yourself ... you're both pretty smart ... and literally this is "The Trump Circle Defending Trump 101"

I kinda expect Hannity to start trumpeting this storyline about this in 3-2-1 ... hell, now that his Cohen connection is in the open, he can claim he's seen Trump act this way towards Cohen himself.

Take care

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