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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:29 AM Apr 2018

DNC Chair Tom Perez Responds to Democratic Criticism of Lawsuit: 'Our Democracy Is at Risk'

by Josh Feldman | 8:58 pm, April 20th, 2018

The DNC has filed a lawsuit against Russia, the Trump campaign, and Wikileaks alleging conspiracy to sway the election, and some Democrats aren’t exactly too happy about it.

Congresswoman Jackie Speier called it “ill-conceived” on CNN today, and a spokesperson for Senator Claire McCaskill called it a “silly distraction.”

DNC Chair Tom Perez appeared with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes tonight to defend the lawsuit, saying “there is no accountability for what the Russians did.” He even called the Trump White House “Putin’s poodle” and insisted this is about patriotism and not partisanship.

Hayes brought up the criticism specifically from McCaskill and asked Perez for his response. The DNC chair said, “We can walk and chew gum.”

He elaborated:

“I love Senator McCaskill. We’ve invested in her race, we’re going to continue to invest in her race because she’s a great senator. But I’ll tell you, I disagree for the simple reason that our democracy is at risk here. We have to make sure that the elections coming up in November are fair. And they invaded us the last time, they hacked the DNC, they tried to influence the outcome of the election. There’s no accountability in the White House.”


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dnc-chair-tom-perez-responds-to-democratic-criticism-of-lawsuit-our-democracy-is-at-risk/
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DNC Chair Tom Perez Responds to Democratic Criticism of Lawsuit: 'Our Democracy Is at Risk' (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
Perezs experience as a Justice Dept Prosecutor Ninga Apr 2018 #1
I know. I wish they'd just shut up. ananda Apr 2018 #10
Perez is smart and a good lawyer WyLoochka Apr 2018 #14
About time! BlueWI Apr 2018 #2
I think the lawsuit is a brilliant idea PatSeg Apr 2018 #3
I agree. femmocrat Apr 2018 #4
Yes PatSeg Apr 2018 #5
It's a well deserved reputation, IMO, & it makes them look weak. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #12
I agree PatSeg Apr 2018 #30
Right! Sophia4 Apr 2018 #18
Dem leadership has a terrible history of keeping their powder dry. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #6
It's about time somebody called it treachery dalton99a Apr 2018 #7
They also need to start saying openly/publicly that it was a coup d'etat KPN Apr 2018 #24
A silly distraction? gratuitous Apr 2018 #8
McCaskill is in a tight race, thus has to assert a little independence. We understand. No worries.nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #9
Jackie Speier, on the other hand, is my representative, and I live in San Francisco. deurbano Apr 2018 #17
Yes, DNC sued RNC after Watergate & was paid $750,000 (1974 dollars) the day Nixon resigned. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #25
Jackie Spiers doesn't get it.. Thanks Cha Apr 2018 #34
Damn straight! MoonRiver Apr 2018 #11
FIGHT BACK!!!!! RIGHT ON, TOM PEREZ!!!! panfluteman Apr 2018 #13
And the Dems won! MoonRiver Apr 2018 #15
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #16
Taking the worst possible results isn't in our interests. lark Apr 2018 #19
Good response to something a little too Kool-Aid soaked. Hortensis Apr 2018 #28
waste of energy. KG Apr 2018 #20
That's what some said before the DNC won their suit for Watergate. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #29
No it isn't.. and Lawrence Tribes agrees.. Cha Apr 2018 #33
There are several reasons why this suit is a good idea. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #21
Perez is right floWteiuQ Apr 2018 #22
Correct. Perez has had far more positive response than negative Wwcd Apr 2018 #23
It's weird when anyone who isn't rw dismisses the right to protect our Elections.. Cha Apr 2018 #32
Good to see the DNC bring out the baseball bats at long last. If it distracts the GOP from KPN Apr 2018 #26
Finally...First Time In A Long Time Me. Apr 2018 #27
DNC Chairman Tom Perez on lawsuit: "Protecting democracy is not a publicity stunt. LT agrees.. Cha Apr 2018 #31
Perez is right & Speier and McCaskill are dead wrong. I'm shocked at their response... Hekate Apr 2018 #35
K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #36

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
1. Perezs experience as a Justice Dept Prosecutor
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:36 AM
Apr 2018

is good enough for me.

Rep Jsckie Speer has joined McCaskill in criticism.

I don’t like the way this feels. Their early hour
criticism is exactly what Dems did to Franken.

WyLoochka

(1,629 posts)
14. Perez is smart and a good lawyer
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:53 AM
Apr 2018

I thought his education and experience would probably prove to be very useful, after researching his background at the time he was running for, then elected as Chair.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
2. About time!
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:55 AM
Apr 2018

Stand up for democracy or be a doormat under authoritarian government. Which is better?

Get on the phone to Senator McCaskill and remind her of that too.

PatSeg

(47,567 posts)
3. I think the lawsuit is a brilliant idea
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 08:58 AM
Apr 2018

It will keep the issue in the news and may even reveal previously unknown or under-reported information.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
4. I agree.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:27 AM
Apr 2018

I'm just pleased that the democrats are fighting back. We were all harmed, so there should be punitive damages. I would join a class-action suit if they did that!

PatSeg

(47,567 posts)
5. Yes
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:31 AM
Apr 2018

Democrats have gotten a bad reputation for not fighting back. I don't want them to act like republicans, but that doesn't mean they have to turn the other cheek all the time.

CrispyQ

(36,501 posts)
12. It's a well deserved reputation, IMO, & it makes them look weak.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:48 AM
Apr 2018

One can fight without being a lying, cheating rat bastard. Politics has changed & the dems are going to lose if they don't sharpen their game & start fighting.

I feel like the dems have capitulated the narrative to the GOP for over three decades. It started with Trickle-Down Economics, & grew into No Child Left Behind & Clean Skies, Healthy Forests. So many catchy, clever, lying phrases that are not at all the actual policy behind them, but people remember them. What was the dems last catchy slogan? When the GOP calls the dems "tax & spend democrats" the dems should have countered with "tax cut & spend republicans." But in the American lexicon, only "tax & spend democrats" exist. The dems have some responsibility in this clusterfuck, too, by not being a true & tough opposition party for so long.

PatSeg

(47,567 posts)
30. I agree
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:22 PM
Apr 2018

Democrats can still maintain the high ground AND fight back fairly and intelligently. So many missed opportunities over the years. Also they need to work on messaging, so people don't tune out as soon as they start speaking.

CrispyQ

(36,501 posts)
6. Dem leadership has a terrible history of keeping their powder dry.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:52 AM
Apr 2018

Don't rock the boat, y'all, cuz the GOP wouldn't like that!

dalton99a

(81,568 posts)
7. It's about time somebody called it treachery
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 09:58 AM
Apr 2018
“During the 2016 presidential campaign, Russia launched an all-out assault on our democracy, and it found a willing and active partner in Donald Trump’s campaign,” DNC Chairman Tom Perez said in a statement.

“This constituted an act of unprecedented treachery: the campaign of a nominee for President of the United States in league with a hostile foreign power to bolster its own chance to win the presidency,” he said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-files-lawsuit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-campaign/2018/04/20/befe8364-4418-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

KPN

(15,649 posts)
24. They also need to start saying openly/publicly that it was a coup d'etat
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:44 AM
Apr 2018

aided by a hostile country out to destroy our republic.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. A silly distraction?
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:03 AM
Apr 2018

No, letting Republican crimes from the Bush era go unpunished is the Democrats' major crime this century. Watergate and Iran/contra got short-circuited by Republican presidents pardoning Republican criminals. But Democrats had a chance to hold Republicans accountable for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and we fumbled it away. If McCaskill thinks it's a distraction, she can simply ignore it. If Speier thinks it's ill-conceived, I'll listen to her better idea if she has one.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
17. Jackie Speier, on the other hand, is my representative, and I live in San Francisco.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:18 AM
Apr 2018

“I think we have a very serious criminal activity underway in this country by the Russians and possibly by those within the Trump campaign, and to make this political is actually the wrong thing to be doing," she explained. “I’m not interested in a political tit-for-tat. I’m interested in getting to the truth, and if there is criminal conduct that has been engaged in, holding people accountable."


I don't understand her point of view at all. Democrats were the targets of this unlawful activity. Tit-for-tat would be engaging in comparable unethical and illegal behavior. This is just an additional LEGAL approach to holding the culprits accountable while demonstrating that Democrats will fight back against these kinds of attacks... and at least try to hit them in the pocketbook if nothing else.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
13. FIGHT BACK!!!!! RIGHT ON, TOM PEREZ!!!!
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

It's about time that Democrats grew some cojones and stood up to Republican treachery! Our nation, and our democracy, are at risk like never before. This is way bigger than Watergate, and if the Democrats sued in Watergate, they should sure sue now!

Rachel Maddow did an excellent job covering the history of Watergate last night, and the Democratic lawsuit - and sure enough, it kept the ball rolling to see that justice was pursued. This is a far bigger crime against our democracy than Watergate, and at this point, we are much further along in the investigation of Trump and Republican crimes than the Watergate investigation was when the Democratic lawsuit appeared then. Tom Perez has learned a good lesson from history here, and is putting it into action.

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

lark

(23,147 posts)
19. Taking the worst possible results isn't in our interests.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:20 AM
Apr 2018

Mueller will end up with a referral to Rosenstein or whoever his boss is and they can refer it to congress or kill it. The only possible good outcome from Mueller is impeachment, which repugs won't do because of their oligarch protection program. This takes it to an entirely different level. Now, Mueller is protecting the inquiry through his use of state courts. drumpf will pardon himself and all his minions and Russian Repug SCOTUS could protect him at the federal level, so there's hope from the state angle. This, however, takes the whole thing to a different level and gets to the heart of the problem, a political party has sold out America to Russia for personal power.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. Good response to something a little too Kool-Aid soaked.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:03 PM
Apr 2018

"It's basically saying, 'The Mueller investigation is soon going to fizzle out ...' " Hopefully that poster will be enlightened about the purposes of this civil suit.

It will also allow the public to view all evidence presented and the evaluation of guilt or innocence by normal legal standards. The DOJ's standards of guilt are extremely tight, rightfully so, and of course typically only some evidence is released to the public before public attention has moved on.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
29. That's what some said before the DNC won their suit for Watergate.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:08 PM
Apr 2018

It's never a waste of energy to do the right thing.

The only question is what took so long.


BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
21. There are several reasons why this suit is a good idea.
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:25 AM
Apr 2018

Predictably, the posters of DU have covered them, so I'll no belabour them.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
23. Correct. Perez has had far more positive response than negative
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:40 AM
Apr 2018

But expect the naysayers of the right & left to emphasize the few negative responses.
They never miss an opportunity to bash Dems.


These statements are truly a big meh.

The DNC lawsuit is more than justified & Tom Perez et al, has clearly been zeroing in & steadily compiling this case that will bring, thru Discovery, a clear case of the massive embedded crime syndicate operating within our govt.

The criminal network cannot continue in the USA nor around the world.

Kudos to all who heroically take a stand against it.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
26. Good to see the DNC bring out the baseball bats at long last. If it distracts the GOP from
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:50 AM
Apr 2018

carrying out their agenda and doing further harm to our country and us, excellent! Keep the bats and brass knuckles coming!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
27. Finally...First Time In A Long Time
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 11:57 AM
Apr 2018

I'm happy with something the DNC and Perez have done. Experts, as per O'Donnell show, consider it, especially the prologue, well done and Lawrence Tribe has said it's not a sham effort so I suggest those two ladies support the position of their party. Something McCaskill has not been especially good at lady lately. It's about time someone stood up for us.

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
35. Perez is right & Speier and McCaskill are dead wrong. I'm shocked at their response...
Sat Apr 21, 2018, 06:12 PM
Apr 2018

We have no protection except from two men (Mueller and Rosenstein) who can be fired on a whim.

What Tom Perez is doing is maybe belated (maybe, because they might have been waiting for an exact moment) but is absolutely necessary. Every legal American tool we have available to us should be used, and the House and Senate, sadly, are tools of the international oligarchy.

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