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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDNC Chair Tom Perez Responds to Democratic Criticism of Lawsuit: 'Our Democracy Is at Risk'
by Josh Feldman | 8:58 pm, April 20th, 2018
The DNC has filed a lawsuit against Russia, the Trump campaign, and Wikileaks alleging conspiracy to sway the election, and some Democrats arent exactly too happy about it.
Congresswoman Jackie Speier called it ill-conceived on CNN today, and a spokesperson for Senator Claire McCaskill called it a silly distraction.
DNC Chair Tom Perez appeared with MSNBCs Chris Hayes tonight to defend the lawsuit, saying there is no accountability for what the Russians did. He even called the Trump White House Putins poodle and insisted this is about patriotism and not partisanship.
Hayes brought up the criticism specifically from McCaskill and asked Perez for his response. The DNC chair said, We can walk and chew gum.
He elaborated:
I love Senator McCaskill. Weve invested in her race, were going to continue to invest in her race because shes a great senator. But Ill tell you, I disagree for the simple reason that our democracy is at risk here. We have to make sure that the elections coming up in November are fair. And they invaded us the last time, they hacked the DNC, they tried to influence the outcome of the election. Theres no accountability in the White House.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dnc-chair-tom-perez-responds-to-democratic-criticism-of-lawsuit-our-democracy-is-at-risk/
Ninga
(8,277 posts)is good enough for me.
Rep Jsckie Speer has joined McCaskill in criticism.
I dont like the way this feels. Their early hour
criticism is exactly what Dems did to Franken.
ananda
(28,874 posts)nt
WyLoochka
(1,629 posts)I thought his education and experience would probably prove to be very useful, after researching his background at the time he was running for, then elected as Chair.
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Stand up for democracy or be a doormat under authoritarian government. Which is better?
Get on the phone to Senator McCaskill and remind her of that too.
PatSeg
(47,567 posts)It will keep the issue in the news and may even reveal previously unknown or under-reported information.
I'm just pleased that the democrats are fighting back. We were all harmed, so there should be punitive damages. I would join a class-action suit if they did that!
Democrats have gotten a bad reputation for not fighting back. I don't want them to act like republicans, but that doesn't mean they have to turn the other cheek all the time.
CrispyQ
(36,501 posts)One can fight without being a lying, cheating rat bastard. Politics has changed & the dems are going to lose if they don't sharpen their game & start fighting.
I feel like the dems have capitulated the narrative to the GOP for over three decades. It started with Trickle-Down Economics, & grew into No Child Left Behind & Clean Skies, Healthy Forests. So many catchy, clever, lying phrases that are not at all the actual policy behind them, but people remember them. What was the dems last catchy slogan? When the GOP calls the dems "tax & spend democrats" the dems should have countered with "tax cut & spend republicans." But in the American lexicon, only "tax & spend democrats" exist. The dems have some responsibility in this clusterfuck, too, by not being a true & tough opposition party for so long.
Democrats can still maintain the high ground AND fight back fairly and intelligently. So many missed opportunities over the years. Also they need to work on messaging, so people don't tune out as soon as they start speaking.
CrispyQ
(36,501 posts)Don't rock the boat, y'all, cuz the GOP wouldn't like that!
dalton99a
(81,568 posts)This constituted an act of unprecedented treachery: the campaign of a nominee for President of the United States in league with a hostile foreign power to bolster its own chance to win the presidency, he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-files-lawsuit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-campaign/2018/04/20/befe8364-4418-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html
KPN
(15,649 posts)aided by a hostile country out to destroy our republic.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)No, letting Republican crimes from the Bush era go unpunished is the Democrats' major crime this century. Watergate and Iran/contra got short-circuited by Republican presidents pardoning Republican criminals. But Democrats had a chance to hold Republicans accountable for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and we fumbled it away. If McCaskill thinks it's a distraction, she can simply ignore it. If Speier thinks it's ill-conceived, I'll listen to her better idea if she has one.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)deurbano
(2,895 posts)I think we have a very serious criminal activity underway in this country by the Russians and possibly by those within the Trump campaign, and to make this political is actually the wrong thing to be doing," she explained. Im not interested in a political tit-for-tat. Im interested in getting to the truth, and if there is criminal conduct that has been engaged in, holding people accountable."
I don't understand her point of view at all. Democrats were the targets of this unlawful activity. Tit-for-tat would be engaging in comparable unethical and illegal behavior. This is just an additional LEGAL approach to holding the culprits accountable while demonstrating that Democrats will fight back against these kinds of attacks... and at least try to hit them in the pocketbook if nothing else.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Cha
(297,523 posts)for that, deurbano.. Exactly on her "tit for tat" comment. Ridiculous.
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Repukes would have filed 2 years ago, if the situation were reversed.
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)It's about time that Democrats grew some cojones and stood up to Republican treachery! Our nation, and our democracy, are at risk like never before. This is way bigger than Watergate, and if the Democrats sued in Watergate, they should sure sue now!
Rachel Maddow did an excellent job covering the history of Watergate last night, and the Democratic lawsuit - and sure enough, it kept the ball rolling to see that justice was pursued. This is a far bigger crime against our democracy than Watergate, and at this point, we are much further along in the investigation of Trump and Republican crimes than the Watergate investigation was when the Democratic lawsuit appeared then. Tom Perez has learned a good lesson from history here, and is putting it into action.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I think they got something like 800,000, which in those days was significant.
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lark
(23,147 posts)Mueller will end up with a referral to Rosenstein or whoever his boss is and they can refer it to congress or kill it. The only possible good outcome from Mueller is impeachment, which repugs won't do because of their oligarch protection program. This takes it to an entirely different level. Now, Mueller is protecting the inquiry through his use of state courts. drumpf will pardon himself and all his minions and Russian Repug SCOTUS could protect him at the federal level, so there's hope from the state angle. This, however, takes the whole thing to a different level and gets to the heart of the problem, a political party has sold out America to Russia for personal power.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"It's basically saying, 'The Mueller investigation is soon going to fizzle out ...' " Hopefully that poster will be enlightened about the purposes of this civil suit.
It will also allow the public to view all evidence presented and the evaluation of guilt or innocence by normal legal standards. The DOJ's standards of guilt are extremely tight, rightfully so, and of course typically only some evidence is released to the public before public attention has moved on.
KG
(28,752 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)It's never a waste of energy to do the right thing.
The only question is what took so long.
Cha
(297,523 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)Predictably, the posters of DU have covered them, so I'll no belabour them.
floWteiuQ
(82 posts)Senators are wrong. Case closed.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)But expect the naysayers of the right & left to emphasize the few negative responses.
They never miss an opportunity to bash Dems.
These statements are truly a big meh.
The DNC lawsuit is more than justified & Tom Perez et al, has clearly been zeroing in & steadily compiling this case that will bring, thru Discovery, a clear case of the massive embedded crime syndicate operating within our govt.
The criminal network cannot continue in the USA nor around the world.
Kudos to all who heroically take a stand against it.
Cha
(297,523 posts)KPN
(15,649 posts)carrying out their agenda and doing further harm to our country and us, excellent! Keep the bats and brass knuckles coming!
Me.
(35,454 posts)I'm happy with something the DNC and Perez have done. Experts, as per O'Donnell show, consider it, especially the prologue, well done and Lawrence Tribe has said it's not a sham effort so I suggest those two ladies support the position of their party. Something McCaskill has not been especially good at lady lately. It's about time someone stood up for us.
Cha
(297,523 posts)Hekate
(90,773 posts)We have no protection except from two men (Mueller and Rosenstein) who can be fired on a whim.
What Tom Perez is doing is maybe belated (maybe, because they might have been waiting for an exact moment) but is absolutely necessary. Every legal American tool we have available to us should be used, and the House and Senate, sadly, are tools of the international oligarchy.