that protects their 2nd amendment right to own guns.

Logical it isn't.

can't do that without a gun.

on the upside, members of their group should be easier to identify now -- at least the more prominent ones.

I work in the mortgage industry and every so often I come across an outstanding mortgage where the borrower has recorded, on his own, a document stating that his mortgage has been satisfied due to some "natural law" concept. Needless to say, this is ineffective when he is foreclosed, but it's still cute that they try to do crap like this.

Writing "paid in full" on the check of your first payment.

A sovereign citizen who subscribes to redemption theory believes your loan is paid in full when you sign the paperwork.

How it works:
According to Roger Elvick's Redemption Theory, when the government got off the Gold Standard it needed something else to base the money supply on. Instead of using metals like gold and silver, they sell every American's birth certificate on the stock market as a bond. (Some of them refuse to register their children's births to prevent this securitization from happening to them...which, of course, totally fucks the rest of their lives but who cares as long as they're free?) The amount of money this bond is worth depends on who's telling the story, but it's more than you can possibly imagine and if you know the exact formula you can use all that money for anything you want...or just for paying bills...or you can buy Certificates of Deposit with it...

Back to it: When you buy a product with credit, the creditor actually files a claim against your birth certificate bond, so in reality if you are making payments on your loan the creditor is double-dipping; they have no real right to ask you to pay, but they all do anyway because they're controlled by the Jewish/Rothschilds/Vatican/US Government cabal.

What all this means is, if you are stupid enough to loan money to a sovereign citizen expect never to see it again.

I'd never heard of that nonsense before. Thanks.

I love sovereign citizens. Google them on you-tube for some really funny stuff. If the police stop them, they have all these reasons why they cannot be arrested. The various reactions of the police are funny too. The citizens are near 100% white, so they aren't in danger of being shot.

I am reading a book about the OK gunfight in the old west and it does give some background that makes it obvious where it came from. No one "owned" the land yet, (other than Native Americans, but bear with me), so people could make claims and get a deed if they did something with it like farm or mine. When the areas were territories and not yet states, the only authorities were federal marshalls and they could not keep track of everything. A lot of people made a livelihood stealing cattle, so breaking the law was basically their job. So when the areas became more settled and more authority was imposed on them, they resented it.

Not really funny, this group is responsible for mass murders and countless acts of terrorism.

happening. Would be interested to learn of the cases. The videos I saw were just silly SCs claiming the officer had no authority over them.

because they think it will mean they accepted the "settlement." I found some law on it, and the debtor can't just do that, it has to be a good faith settlement with both sides agreeing.

SCs believe that if they offer a payment and it is rejected, the debt is cancelled.

So! You have a $1 million house you would like to sell. A seemingly-nice couple makes an offer that appears reasonable, and you accept. They are to pay you $8000 per month for the next 15 years.

On the first of next month, you receive a letter from them. It has a $1 postage stamp stuck to it, and reads: “This is offered in full payment of debt. Rejection of this tender offer will result in immediate cancellation of the debt.”

The SC YouTube channels are full of people telling you to do this very thing, and the comments are full of their shills claiming they got very expensive items for free by doing this very thing.

This is the sick part: not all states consider this the criminal matter that it is. They call it civil and you have to go through eviction proceedings to remove them from your home, and repairing the damage they cause is your expense.

these morons! He is always saying if you sign your name with this particular slant then the debt will be forgiven.

I will have to buy a protractor so I can measure signatures from now on!

do not refer to the state, but to the "federal area" which they get from Title 2 or whichever one it is. They therefore use the old abbreviations "Penn." or "Del." because PA and DE are federal areas where the state has no authority and this is evidence that the federal government sneakily took over and did away with the states. And put fringed flags in the courts, making them really admiralty courts and thus federal.

Which has quit working because the creditor community is on to them.

You should like this one:

-Puzzler (an Unnatural Citizen)

Soooo, I guess this is all going to be the white guy approach yet again:

“Was an isolated incident.” - side note, seems to be a lot of “isolated incidents” this past year.
“It’s not terrorism just a single mentally disturbed individual.”
“Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.”
“Thoughts and prayers.”
Blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah.


It must be driving the rightwingers nuts that it’s been so long since they’ve had a person of color, or another religion doing one of these shootings. It’s been a long time since they’ve been able to call one of these incidents and act of terrorism.

Wonder if peeresident Adolf Tweetler is even going to acknowledge the great hero here?

He’s likely schizophrenic. I don’t know if there’s much value in politicizing this.

are who groups like this target. Very much worth mentioning, I think.

his truck in a barn somewhere and he is off to some camp...a fricken hero

Gee, wonder if it really is true after all that EVERYTHING is about race ...hmmmm

The shooter only wore a coat.

Maybe he wanted to use an insanity defense if he got picked up at the shooting?

By MOLLY OLMSTEAD

... in May 2016, while Reinking was living in Illinois, authorities responded to a call involving Reinking, who told them he believed Taylor Swift was stalking him. According to CNN, his family also said he had made comments about killing himself. He was taken to a hospital to be evaluated. Then, in June 2017, he threatened someone with an AR-15, drove to a public pool, and exposed himself to people at the pool. Reinking’s father told police at the time he had taken four firearms from his son and locked them away, but when the father decided he wanted to move out of state, he returned them to his son. Police advised the father to lock the guns away again until his son received “mental help.”

A month later, Reinking was again arrested, this time by the U.S. Secret Service outside the White House, when Reinking attempted to cross a security barrier near the complex. According to USA Today, he said he needed to see President Donald Trump and identified himself as a “sovereign citizen” with a “right to inspect” the White House grounds. The term sovereign citizen is often used by anti-government extremists who believe they are independent from the United States and therefore not under its authority, according to USA Today. It’s not known if Reinking was using the term in this way.

He was arrested for being in a restricted area and charged with unlawful entry, according to the Washington Post. His case was dismissed after he performed 32 hours of community service and stayed away from the White House for four months. According to the Post, he had not been considered a danger.

According to the Post, after an FBI investigation, state and local officials in Illinois confiscated four weapons he owned and revoked his firearm license. Reinking volunteered to give up his guns, police said. But when the authorities arrived to confiscate the weapons, Reinking’s father was there and asked to keep the weapons, according to the Post. After he showed them his firearms license and assured them he would keep the weapons from his son, the police agreed to let him keep them. Later, the father acknowledged he returned the guns to his son. One of those guns was the AR-15 Reinking allegedly used in the shooting ...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/what-we-know-waffle-house-shooting-suspect-travis-reinking.html

And Daddy has deep pockets. I hope they sue the hell out of him.

is wrong with his dumbass father if
he did indeed give this nuts guns back
to him!! Can't believe someone could be
so stupid!

Is there evidence he was part of a known militia group? That he was radicalized online? That he just watched a lot of Fox News?

So far he comes across as the lone-wolf sort of terrorist.

You all KNOW it's coming!