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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:20 AM Apr 2018

Pulitzer-winning reporter David Cay Johnston: "The evidence suggests Trump is a traitor"

Investigative reporter who has covered Trump for 30 years dares to imagine impeachment — and President Nancy Pelosi

CHAUNCEY DEVEGA
04.23.2018•5:00 AM

The saga of President Donald Trump consists of several parallel and intersecting stories.

There is the structural dimension. Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was not entirely unpredictable or shocking. America's crisis in civic literacy, political polarization, rampant anti-intellectualism, deeply embedded sexism and racism, greed, broken schools and weakened democratic institutions, as well as a hollowed-out public sphere where people confuse celebrity with human worth made the election someone like Trump nearly inevitable.

There is Donald Trump the man, who seems to revel in the very worst human values. His closest family members -- including his father and grandfather -- taught him the "value" of unrepentant greed and ambition. He also displays the symptoms of malignant narcissism, as well as sociopathy. In all, Trump is a master of manipulation who leads a political cult.

How do these factors combine in Donald Trump's presidency and the type of society that he and the Republican Party want to create? Are matters actually worse than they appear, in terms of how we assess the political and social crisis of the Trump's presidency? What strategy should Democrats use to stop Trump and the Republican Party? If Trump is removed from office because of his increasingly obvious efforts to obstruct justice, how will his public respond? Will there be violence?

In an effort to answer these questions, I recently spoke with Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter David Cay Johnston. For 30 years, Johnston has covered Trump's life and career, of Donald Trump as detailed in the bestselling book "The Making of Donald Trump." His new book is "It's Even Worse Than You Think: What the Trump Administration is Doing to America."

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https://www.salon.com/2018/04/23/pulitzer-winning-reporter-david-cay-johnston-the-evidence-suggests-trump-is-a-traitor/

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Pulitzer-winning reporter David Cay Johnston: "The evidence suggests Trump is a traitor" (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
Good that he mentioned this: dalton99a Apr 2018 #1
It was treason and we had a coup. Botany Apr 2018 #2
Absolutely. dalton99a Apr 2018 #5
Really? Hadn't heard that specifically. Do you have a source? KPN Apr 2018 #20
this help? Botany Apr 2018 #23
Didnt happen, this is where having up to ONE THOUSAND on the ground, deep cover KGB Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26
That's exactly why I asked. Impossible for me to believe that 80,000 voters KPN Apr 2018 #37
Impossible for me to believe that: Botany Apr 2018 #40
And in California, where our previous Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, tested and studied Sophia4 Apr 2018 #45
And in VA when they had the last Governor's race (I think it was a Governor's race) and they ... Botany Apr 2018 #59
Yes I've been saying this for 2+ years FakeNoose Apr 2018 #4
. dalton99a Apr 2018 #6
This is what it all comes down to. llmart Apr 2018 #10
Rump got 3 times as much coverage and 40% of the coverage HRC did get was about emails. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #27
establishment GOP did not want trump but talk radio gods limbaugh/hannity did certainot Apr 2018 #21
I disagree - certainly CBS, NBC and ABC all wanted Cheeto as the GOP candidate FakeNoose Apr 2018 #24
remember RW radio is always full out attacking all media, intimidating 'it' generally certainot Apr 2018 #42
The "meda" is heinously derelict in their Cha Apr 2018 #62
That's "Guilty, guilty, guilty!" as Mr Trudeau might say. malthaussen Apr 2018 #3
He has praised America's adversaries more than he has denigrated America's heroes and institutions uponit7771 Apr 2018 #7
Hey, give donnie a break not fooled Apr 2018 #12
Almost by accident. Orsino Apr 2018 #8
We call him a traitor because he is, he perfectly fits the legal definition. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #28
I'm just saying he was a traitor to everyone and everything... Orsino Apr 2018 #29
OH yes, I wasnt correcting you but just poking the prick. I have known for over 10 years Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #31
We fell for the fake glitz in all the fake coverage of his facke accomplishments. Orsino Apr 2018 #34
That description of America does not describe where I live. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2018 #9
What? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #32
Then I envy you misanthrope Apr 2018 #47
I think I'd rather read his book than Comey's ginnyinWI Apr 2018 #11
That second paragraph alone is a blow to the solar plexus... VOX Apr 2018 #13
Thanks I was going to repost this if someone didn't because it is so brilliant Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #16
It is totally brilliant. The PTB have crafted the exact sort of population they can Nay Apr 2018 #41
Actually, I don't agree with the supposed cause and effect. Hortensis Apr 2018 #56
Appreciation for David Cay Johnston FakeNoose Apr 2018 #14
David Kay Johnson True Blue American Apr 2018 #15
Pelosi as President. Wouldn't that be grand retribution! Please God let that happen! KPN Apr 2018 #17
That last paragraph - especially the last sentence is chilling. Texin Apr 2018 #18
That too blew me squarely in the face. Today we have to deal with Enoki33 Apr 2018 #25
He is not a criminal mastermind. Orsino Apr 2018 #30
He has no clue about anything, ESPECIALLY real estate, restaurant or hotel business. NONE Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #35
He had no talent for or experience in government... Orsino Apr 2018 #38
I think Johnston is right about that FakeNoose Apr 2018 #33
I wonder if this interview caused a stir in the West Wing. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #19
CNN behavior was shocking extvbroadcaster Apr 2018 #22
Yes thanks for confirming FakeNoose Apr 2018 #36
Welcome to DU, extvbroadcaster! calimary Apr 2018 #63
I'm with Mr Johnson leanforward Apr 2018 #39
Iv'e been following Mr. Johnson for years. yonder Apr 2018 #43
That would be Mr. Johnston. nt yonder Apr 2018 #44
David Cay Johnston has reported on 45 for decades cp Apr 2018 #46
k and r and bookmarking. niyad Apr 2018 #48
His presidency is a direct result of ratings-based news LanternWaste Apr 2018 #49
K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #50
First Pargraph... zentrum Apr 2018 #51
Crisis in civic literacy. murielm99 Apr 2018 #52
I disagree fundamentally on one thing - lark Apr 2018 #53
"If it walks like a duck" oasis Apr 2018 #54
He must be aiming at a "Hugo" award... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #55
"The evidence suggests Trump is a traitor" Grins Apr 2018 #57
Two other ways to follow David Cay Johnston... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #58
David Cay Johnston knows Spanky better than anyone! red dog 1 Apr 2018 #60
Why does everyone else say what Democrats SHOULD be saying...except Democrats? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #61
Well Said patty_bateman Apr 2018 #65
also well said LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #66
This sounds like a sequel/update to a book a friend of mine published 6 years ago DFW Apr 2018 #64

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
1. Good that he mentioned this:
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:25 AM
Apr 2018
Another factor was the utter failure of journalists to vet Donald Trump. You can read about Barack Obama's kindergarten playmates in Indonesia by name, the boys he smoked dope with in high school by name and some of the women he dated in college by name. But the New York Times, in the 16 months from Trump's [campaign] announcement to Election Day, had exactly four references that had "Trump" and "Mafia" in the same story and they were all in passing and inconsequential.

They also didn't report on the two income tax fraud trials that Trump lost. There was just a lot of stuff about Trump that was never reported because his campaign was like looking at a car crash on the other side of the highway but it had dancing girls and a marching band and so you couldn't turn away from it.

For 40 years the Republicans have done serious work preparing for the day when, as a minority party, they wanted to still be in control. So they have reduced the franchise. They've passed laws like this horrible law in Michigan that lets you throw out ballots on the most bogus grounds, entire precincts. All that combined to help Trump win the Electoral College.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
2. It was treason and we had a coup.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:54 AM
Apr 2018

80,000 people in Detroit and Flint showed up and voted but decided not to
vote for President. Trump won by 10,704 votes.

47.50% Trump 47.27% Hillary (total vote %)

KPN

(15,650 posts)
20. Really? Hadn't heard that specifically. Do you have a source?
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:33 AM
Apr 2018

Not questioning your conclusion or the info by the way. Just interested.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
26. Didnt happen, this is where having up to ONE THOUSAND on the ground, deep cover KGB
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:24 PM
Apr 2018

agents really helps when you want to steal an election.

By didnt happen I mean they did NOT leave the spot blank for President, none of them did.

I wish everybody was as angry as me..not sure what we could do with that but dammit

YES the facts demonstrate allegedly that they DID not vote, they did NOT have their votes counted...there are several credible sources to prove your point is true.

Anyone who sincerely wants to know could find these sources very quickly.

KPN

(15,650 posts)
37. That's exactly why I asked. Impossible for me to believe that 80,000 voters
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

in two cities (no matter how large) voted but left the ballot blank for President.

Botany

(70,581 posts)
40. Impossible for me to believe that:
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:49 PM
Apr 2018

Every newspaper in America was against Trump and yet somehow he won.

All the former Presidents and their families of both parties were against Trump
but somehow he won.

All the polls and exit polls had Hillary winning and yet somehow Trump won.

In 2012 the GOP did a study that to ever win a national election again they
had to get more black, hispanic, and female voters and yet they still nominated
the person who alienated those groups and somehow Trump won.

BTW this wasn't just a Michigan "thing" too. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210501063

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
45. And in California, where our previous Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, tested and studied
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

our voting machines very carefully to prevent fraud, Hillary won by a large margin.

Granted we are now a Democratic state, but still . . . .

Botany

(70,581 posts)
59. And in VA when they had the last Governor's race (I think it was a Governor's race) and they ...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:18 PM
Apr 2018

... voted on paper the D did much better even in areas that went to Trump in 2016.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
4. Yes I've been saying this for 2+ years
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:01 AM
Apr 2018

The media journalists did the shittiest job imaginable. Their weak-and-whiny defense is that whenever they tried to blow the whistle on Trump nobody cared. I just cannot believe that, it's not that nobody cared. It's that their bosses didn't want Trump to be shot down, they wanted him as the GOP candidate no matter how bad he really was. Any negative coverage for Trump got killed by the editors and publishers (media decision-makers.)

Don't ever forget: "Donald Trump is good for business." May they all rot in hell for what they did.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
10. This is what it all comes down to.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:37 AM
Apr 2018

The media. They gave him free airtime 24/7 because they knew he was a train wreck, and they also knew that Americans suck that shit up like pig slop, which it was. They didn't want the shit show to end too soon.

I live in Michigan and I know there is no way in hell that Hillary didn't win this state without vote manipulation. Are there plenty of ignoramuses in Michigan? Absolutely, but don't tell me they all got off their lazy asses to vote for Trump or that minorities went to the polls but just didn't want to vote for President.

These two things allowed him to sit in our White House even though the majority of Americans wanted Hillary.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
21. establishment GOP did not want trump but talk radio gods limbaugh/hannity did
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:34 AM
Apr 2018

trump beat the establishment money because he had most of the talk radio gods behind him.

limbaugh made excuses for trump, his mini me hannity followed, and journos need to be looking for evidence limbaugh hannity have been getting russian trump money. limbaugh attacked rubio and bush as establishment pro 'illegal immigrant'.

trump guy sam nunberg said he studied talk radio for trump in 2014 and it informed their primaries strategy and may have been used to coordinate with their kremlin trolling ops.

jounalists/investigators need to dig into the possibility that limbaugh and hannity were being compensated for their support and coordination with trump and the russina trolling, especially in the primaries vs establishment gop candidates while trying to appear objective. altho libaugh has probably been getting side money for close to a decade.

it would be their job to support trump in the general, to the extent limbaugh thinks up and is fed excuses for trump and then they put them out for the base to pick through to help them deny reality and continue to rationalize their support. as well as continuing to attack hillary, which they have both been doing for 25 years.

it’s possible hannity and limbaugh have been getting russian money for many years, especially since rove lost the white house and central control of them. like selling 'climategate' in 2009 from a kremlin email hack. putin would love that and so would the kochs. and then selling debt default in 2011, which i doubt the kochs would want.

If Russians/Trump wanted to coordinate they would study talk radio. Trump did that in 2014. (said sam nunberg to gabriel sherman - new york magazine 4/3/16)

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
24. I disagree - certainly CBS, NBC and ABC all wanted Cheeto as the GOP candidate
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:17 PM
Apr 2018

I'm talking about the executives who made the huge bonuses, not the line reporters and anchors who worked their butts off. Anyone connected with Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and most of the major newspaper chains and cable network news were all quietly rooting for Trump. They did it by giving him free coverage and free airtime with mostly softball questions from reporters, as I stated earlier.

Without a doubt it has been shown that the major US news outlets gave him the benefit of the doubt, by assuming "equivalence" where no such equivalence existed. When it was time to endorse candidates - usually within a week before the election - they all showed their true colors. Most endorsed Trump outright, or else they abstained from endorsining either candidate saying there are good things/bad things about both.

We have talked about the Facebook/Twitter/social media sins to exhaustion here on DU. It's time to do the same for the major US news outlets. They favored Trump because they sold a shit-ton of advertising and gave him most of the credit for it. The US media companies are big businesses, and the executives all made their huge bonuses on the whopping ad sales in 2016. (At least some of it was Russian money.)


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
42. remember RW radio is always full out attacking all media, intimidating 'it' generally
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:35 PM
Apr 2018

to the right and for 'balance'

and if trump would pay $1000/hr for radio infomercial time then 1200 stations, which were ALL attacking hillary and at were all between full on supporting trump to at the least making excuses for him, then x 15 hrs/day all that equaled $18 MIL/dfay or $5BIL/year - pro republican.

the talking head assholes on mainstream are more significant for ignoring stories and doing bothsiderism - but the unchallenged talk radio monopoly is the only medium that can do the groundworkj repetition needed to sell the big lies

Cha

(297,650 posts)
62. The "meda" is heinously derelict in their
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 03:18 AM
Apr 2018

duties. They can't be called "reporters".. they are nothing but pumpers for treasonous bad actors.

It's heart sickening.. thank you, Dalton

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
3. That's "Guilty, guilty, guilty!" as Mr Trudeau might say.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.

-- Mal

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
12. Hey, give donnie a break
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:43 AM
Apr 2018

he has little to no knowledge or understanding of American history, including its heroes and institutions.

Chances are he knows more about Hitler than either.



Clueless asshole "leading" the U.S.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
8. Almost by accident.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:20 AM
Apr 2018

He fucks over everybody who has to deal with him, and now that's all of us, so we call him a traitor.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
29. I'm just saying he was a traitor to everyone and everything...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:31 PM
Apr 2018

...before he ever thought of getting anywhere near government.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
31. OH yes, I wasnt correcting you but just poking the prick. I have known for over 10 years
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:33 PM
Apr 2018

what kind of filth he is because of people who know of him in NYC.

What fascinates me is how many of us fell for his OBVIOUS lies, lack of education, that he is clearly illiterate, etc.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
34. We fell for the fake glitz in all the fake coverage of his facke accomplishments.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018

On his own, he has never been capable of deceiving many, so clumsy are his lies and bullshit. He needed the mythology of the tabloids and TV to succeed.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,870 posts)
9. That description of America does not describe where I live.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:30 AM
Apr 2018

Yes, in KCMO we have some incidents but not very often. People where I live are good, decent people who are polite and kind. My neighborhood has just about every race and religion that you could imagine. I don't there has ever been trouble. I think, if anything, people here go out of their way to be sure no trouble gets started.

Really, the biggest problem we have here are the gangs which run amok in the inner city. And they are made up of all races. Just depends where you are. Citizens are working on the problem but it is really hard to get a handle on it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
13. That second paragraph alone is a blow to the solar plexus...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:50 AM
Apr 2018

None of it is unknown, we’ve all been witness to it. But that’s what makes for good writing— the ability to synthesize what’s occurred (and ongoing) and lay it out in such a way that strikes home. And does this ever hit the center of the target:

There is the structural dimension. Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton was not entirely unpredictable or shocking. America's crisis in civic literacy, political polarization, rampant anti-intellectualism, deeply embedded sexism and racism, greed, broken schools and weakened democratic institutions, as well as a hollowed-out public sphere where people confuse celebrity with human worth made the election someone like Trump nearly inevitable.

Bradshaw3

(7,529 posts)
16. Thanks I was going to repost this if someone didn't because it is so brilliant
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:01 AM
Apr 2018

That second sentence is perhaps the best encapsulation of the reasons why drumpf is in the White House as anything I've read. It does indeed hit the target.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
41. It is totally brilliant. The PTB have crafted the exact sort of population they can
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

easily use and abuse -- that's been their aim. Of course, they'll claim it's because people are naturally stupid and what can you do??


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. Actually, I don't agree with the supposed cause and effect.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:02 PM
Apr 2018

We're far less "exceptional" than that compared to other peoples, and far far better than suggested. THIS is the rest of what happened to us:

Over the past four decades planetary wealth has quadrupled, and dangerous amounts of it went to creation of centimillionaire and billionaire classes who can buy politicians with their chump change. And they did, working overwhelmingly through conservative politicians who were biased to support their goals.

Think what that means. Government corruption is not a crumbling around some dishonest people, but rather a deliberate hostile reordering of representative government to serve a few. They hired many entities to have laws passed and rewritten to serve them, not us. "That's what they do. That's all they do."

As for us, and this dismal mindset, as far back as the 1970s wealthy conservatives started plotting to move our nation far right and to use new psychological techniques of mass manipulation to achieve it. They started very early with dividing the electorate in order to conquer, taking an important lesson from the New Deal era when a majority united against them.

From then their wealth exploded, and with it their power. And with the advent of information technology and new techniques for manipulation, their ability increased to divide, corrupt and and demoralize the electorate. The most vulnerable to their ultraconservative aims are, of course, are on the right, but they've done their best to destroy everyone's belief in our nation, our political systems, our people, and above all the Democratic Party and its people ever since.

They've now approached pretty close to their goal of taking us over, which we only know because this is the wake-up phase for us.

So wake up. It takes awareness and intellectual independence to see our real world. We can see the lies designed for the right well enough, but it's much, much harder to recognize those designed to corrupt our thinking and to see their influence on ourselves.

Start by looking at the unquestioning acceptance of the OP's dismal but desperately twisted and dishonest word-picture of what we are. And question it and the initial acceptance. Does that really describe YOU? How about most of the people you know personally?

Go take a 10-minute walk anywhere you are and look around you. Their dismal picture kind of leaves out all the good, all the stability, all that is most of what we are. Everything you will see, in fact.

And a huge part of what is very good, btw, is that our democratic systems are much harder to destroy than they realized. They've been inside government tearing away at our national innards with varying strengths since 1980 and before, and even as they succeed in destroying belief in our damaged systems, those are still standing up to the severe stresses of the current Republican government that entered office to finish the job.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
14. Appreciation for David Cay Johnston
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:50 AM
Apr 2018

I believe this guy saw through Trump long before he was ever a Presidential candidate. Johnston has written a least 2 excellent books on Trump, in addition to his regular blog columns and his many appearances on MSNBC and other news outlets. He was on the Trussia story long before anybody, and I believe he had a hand in getting Rachel Maddows interested in bull-dogging it on her show.

Because of Johnston's extensive research on the Trump family background, and generously sharing info with Maddows and other MSNBC reporters, he has kept this story alive until it became a 24/7 obsession for most of us. (Well, for me anyway.)

Thank you David Cay Johnston, and well done!


True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
15. David Kay Johnson
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

Is one of the most brilliant Journalists,ever.

If he writes it, you know facts are true.

The Press also led us into war with Iraq

Texin

(2,597 posts)
18. That last paragraph - especially the last sentence is chilling.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:14 AM
Apr 2018

David Cay Johnston says that he isn't sure that "Donald actually knows what he's done" in reference to his treason. And I believe that's true. The dolt knows he is in big, big trouble but he can't wrap his arms around the fact that he's committed high treason because he fundamentally doesn't understand what that means. He's been so wrapped in corruption his entire life that he knows nothing else. From his grandfather in Seattle who ran a whorehouse to his father whose business partner, Tomasello, was a member of the Gambino crime syndicate, he's literally steeped in it.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
25. That too blew me squarely in the face. Today we have to deal with
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:18 PM
Apr 2018

an expanded and much more powerful continuation of that tRump crime family gone global, whose necessary removal has serious potential revolutionary consequences.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
30. He is not a criminal mastermind.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:33 PM
Apr 2018

He slouched his way into one shady deal after the next throughout his life, a patsy for everyone who promised to make his life easier. He is far too lazy ever to have understood the traps he was setting for himself.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
35. He has no clue about anything, ESPECIALLY real estate, restaurant or hotel business. NONE
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:36 PM
Apr 2018

I think folks are FINALLY getting this.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
38. He had no talent for or experience in government...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

...but We The People told ourselves that at least he was a good businessman, and he just wasn't. He's not even good at golf. He'll, he's stupid and clumsy even at sexual assault and hiring mistresses.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
33. I think Johnston is right about that
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:35 PM
Apr 2018

... he understands the depth of Cheeto's ignorance of / indifference to the law. Cheeto keeps tweeting "No collusion" like a mantra, and in his mind there probably wasn't. Because he has no understanding what collusion means, or the fact that he and his group actively engaged in it.

Another guy who has a good handle on Trump's ignorance is Tony Schwarz who wrote the book "The Art of the Deal." Schwarz has been called a ghost-writer but he actually composed the book entirely himself with very little input from Trump. Schwarz has revealed that Trump's attention span is that of a 5-year-old along with other personal facts about Cheeto, now that his 25-year NDA has run out.

The Mueller indictments and any subsequent trial of Donald J. Trump will certainly remind us that "Ignorance of the law is no defense." It can't happen soon enough!

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
19. I wonder if this interview caused a stir in the West Wing.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:15 AM
Apr 2018

Was there any alarm? Rage? Any reaction at all?

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
22. CNN behavior was shocking
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:41 AM
Apr 2018

As a former CNN employee, I was really disappointed in their reporting. The once proud days of CNN were long gone by the time
Trump came on the scene. CNN has followed Fox into the gutter, with "he said, she said" reporting. Their idea of balance now is to
have one guy on that says the sky is blue and another that says it is green. Both sides, job done! The worst was CNN becoming
entertainment, and actually paying people to be Trump defenders. Corey Lewandowski was the poster boy. Just seeing him on CNN
made me want to take a shower. He was still being paid by Trump or was under some contract that would not allow him to criticize
his former boss. What did he add? Nothing. CNN saw the Trump train wreck and pulled the cameras out on empty podiums until the
great man arrived. I understand what happened though. The management saw dollar signs, and the editorial side thought there was
no harm. Really, who could be stupid enough to vote for Trump? I'm sure everyone at CNN was totally shocked when he won.
How far down the toilet CNN has gone from those idealistic early days.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
36. Yes thanks for confirming
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:37 PM
Apr 2018

None of us are happy about it, but at least we know we aren't crazy.
It really did happen, just like we're saying it did.

calimary

(81,461 posts)
63. Welcome to DU, extvbroadcaster!
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 03:44 AM
Apr 2018

Sadly, your description of that "both sides! Both sides!" baloney is spot-on. I swear I almost expect members of the Flat Earth Society to gain invitations to join the panels of talking heads next time we have a NASA mission. RIDICULOUS!

It tore me up. The pile-on against Hillary was almost obscene as well. "...but her emails..." over and over and over and over and over. And it all turned out to be a whole lot of nothing. Meanwhile trump was consistently portrayed as some harmless buffoon to be laughed at and not taken seriously enough to bother digging into his background the way they did to both Clintons. All she ever did was try to be a dedicated and effective public servant. And look at the thanks she got. I half expect that at her funeral, the same hypocritical jackals who couldn't wait to find fault with her every hair out of place will intone, somberly, about what an amazing and globally admired historical figure she was. And they'll all insist they admired her too - and always had. I've never been able to watch Andrea Mitchell the way I once did - back when I believed her work was respectable.

And it's not just that.

Every time I hear Chris Matthews make some remark about how we all were against the Iraq War - ESPECIALLY him, I can't forget his shameless drooling over dubya's stuffed flight-suit prance around that aircraft carrier on "Mission Accomplished" Day: "we're all neocons now!"


leanforward

(1,077 posts)
39. I'm with Mr Johnson
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

I've thought for sometime that mr trump is a traitor. I've been following David Cay for several years. Prior to that I became aware of mr trumps business dealings, successes and FAILURES.

His business methods rely on russian/soviet investment.

The rosenbergs (sp) gave up nuclear secrets. mr trump is giving us up for his lack of business success.

Our country has accomplished a lot for its citizens and world affairs. Multilateral works.

yonder

(9,673 posts)
43. Iv'e been following Mr. Johnson for years.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:39 PM
Apr 2018

Ever since I read his "Perfectly Legal". He does his homework and it shows.

cp

(6,655 posts)
46. David Cay Johnston has reported on 45 for decades
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:23 PM
Apr 2018

He has done superb investigative reporting. From him I learned of 45's mafioso ways, which went a long way to making sense of 45's behavior as "president."
And yes, TRAITOR.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. His presidency is a direct result of ratings-based news
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:43 PM
Apr 2018

His presidency is a direct result of ratings-based news (regardless of medium) being the go-to for current information.

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
52. Crisis in civic literacy.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:59 PM
Apr 2018

That is the one place where I have to agree that "both sides do it."

I have seen some very ignorant Democrats in the last couple of years.

lark

(23,155 posts)
53. I disagree fundamentally on one thing -
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:25 PM
Apr 2018

i think dumpf knows exactly what he's doing and cackles about it all the time - every time he golfs, the government pays him an astronomical amount for security to stay at drumpfs personal places. Why - pure profiteering. He gets great deals for his daughter from China, etc. etc. he wanted to win to cash out and Russia offered him what he wanted so he signed up to be a traitor for personal fun and profit.

Grins

(7,228 posts)
57. "The evidence suggests Trump is a traitor"
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 05:38 PM
Apr 2018

Isn't this where we sarcastically go, "Well, uhhhh....Yeah!"

I've been saying it ever since the day he visited the CIA and the day Mike Flynn got caught.

red dog 1

(27,849 posts)
60. David Cay Johnston knows Spanky better than anyone!
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:31 PM
Apr 2018

No one else has covered the bastard's life & career for 30 years.

K&R

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
61. Why does everyone else say what Democrats SHOULD be saying...except Democrats?
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 09:10 PM
Apr 2018
What I would say to the Democrats is, "Your first and fundamental mission is to tell people what you are for." Not that you're against Trump. Being against Trump doesn't get you very far. It will get you some people who hate Trump. But what are you for? What you want to say is: We will get the incredible burden of health care off the back of small businesses. We will make it so you don't have to stick with an employer because you have health care and you don't want to run the risk of switching or losing it. We want to relieve business of the burden of health care like every other modern country, and it will save everyone money.

We want to invest in the future of America. So we will put more money into education and basic science. Did you know that half the economic growth in this country since the end of World War II can be traced to taxpayer investments in science?

We want investments at home that will create jobs. Our country is falling apart in front of our eyes. That will create an enormous number of jobs, but it will also make the economy more efficient. We want to invest in that future, which will make us all much better off. We're about building a prosperous future. We're not about looking back, as Donald Trump is, to the past.



Yes I know they do somewhat. And the media doesn't help by their STILL Trumpcentric narratives. ie. they spend whole segments asking for a reaction from a Dem guest on Trumps latest fuckup. And Dems are guilty of taking the easy road and jumping on the bandwagon. They never get the time to present new ideas.

But some Democrats need to speak out with clear goals like this, but also, very important, describe things not in some top-down, look what we have planned for y'all. But from the layman's point of view. Like "we want to relieve business of the burden..." and investing in science leads to economic growth, and that Europe will jump way ahead of us in alternative energy technology if we don't invest more. And besides, we want to work towards energy self-sufficiency, so we don't have to be beholden to Middle Eastern countries.

patty_bateman

(11 posts)
65. Well Said
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 08:01 AM
Apr 2018

I agree and would like to expand a bit. I fear that if Dems don't establish a clear, loud agenda now that the Republicans that appear moderate and resistant will be heralded by the media as the brave new face of the Republican party in a couple years. We need to rightfully pin Trump to them and lead the US in a different direction.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
64. This sounds like a sequel/update to a book a friend of mine published 6 years ago
Tue Apr 24, 2018, 04:06 AM
Apr 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Even_Worse_Than_It_Looks

It was about the Republican Congress trying to block the Obama presidency. It was called "It's Even Worse That It Looks."

Sounds just a little bit similar. Thomas Mann and Norm were writing a sequel. Wonder what they'll end up calling it?
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