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Atticus

(15,124 posts) Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:43 AM Apr 2018

Does anyone believe that the upcoming meeting with N. Korea will

be used by Trump as anything other than a self-promotional opportunity? The outcome will absolutely be trumpeted as "the greatest deal ever" which provides for "TOTAL DENUCLEARIZATION" of Korean peninsula. We will possibly withdraw most or even all US troops from the south and "lots of people" will be saying that no other person could have reached such an agreement..

He made it clear to the Mexican president that he wasn't asking him to actually pay for his wall; he simply wanted him to SAY that he would. Does anyone doubt that Trump would not have a similar approach to N. Korea's DENUCLEARIZATION?

I can't predict the ACTUAL outcome of the meeting, but anyone can can see that Trump's ego will not permit any public face that does not feature a "historic" victory.

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Does anyone believe that the upcoming meeting with N. Korea will (Original Post) Atticus Apr 2018 OP

there's no doubt that they will claim victory and call anything else "fake news". unblock Apr 2018 #1

If we dont end in a nuclear war it is a good thing. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #2

Is that where we're at? Anything short of nuc!ear holocaust equals Trump success? Atticus Apr 2018 #5

In this case, yes. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #7

That is in same category as "Trump's speech was a success as he occasionally stayed Atticus Apr 2018 #9

No really it isnt. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #10

We disagree. Have a good one. nt Atticus Apr 2018 #13

I think Soxfan58 Apr 2018 #3

Trump will use it to brag on himself, no matter what happens gratuitous Apr 2018 #4

Needy Amin - that is... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #8

Well, that's the limit of Trump's interest. Orsino Apr 2018 #6

The outcome will be: kairos12 Apr 2018 #11

I don't think there's any chance in hell they reach an agreement if Trump is there. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #12

unblock

(52,317 posts)

1. there's no doubt that they will claim victory and call anything else "fake news".

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 11:47 AM

Apr 2018

and of course north korea knows that donnie needs any feeble excuse to claim victory, so they will eagerly provide it in exchange for something far more valuable to them than to donnie.

what they get remains to be seen, but no doubt it will be a price that anyone other than donnie would consider far too high to pay for a feeble pretend claim of a "win".

Voltaire2

(13,154 posts)

2. If we dont end in a nuclear war it is a good thing.

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:09 PM

Apr 2018

As much as I despise Shitler, if he accidentally does the right thing here it is ok with me.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)

5. Is that where we're at? Anything short of nuc!ear holocaust equals Trump success?

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:01 PM

Apr 2018

My God! I hope not!

Voltaire2

(13,154 posts)

7. In this case, yes.

Reply to Atticus (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:36 PM

Apr 2018

The stakes are too high.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)

9. That is in same category as "Trump's speech was a success as he occasionally stayed

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:52 PM

Apr 2018

on topic, didn't say 'fuck' or the 'n-word' and didn't grab any women by the pussy on his way to the podium!"

I refuse to accept this as either normal or successful. Just because it could be worse doesn't mean we should be happy with total incompetence and insanity.

Voltaire2

(13,154 posts)

10. No really it isnt.

Reply to Atticus (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:39 PM

Apr 2018

Giving Trump a pass on a horrible speech and giving Trump a pass on not starting a nuclear war really are not the same.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)

13. We disagree. Have a good one. nt

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 07:10 PM

Apr 2018

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)

3. I think

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:34 PM

Apr 2018

North and South are talking, this is huge. We should stay the hell out of the way of peace I worry that donny dumbass will mess up the progress the Koreas have had.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

4. Trump will use it to brag on himself, no matter what happens

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:43 PM

Apr 2018

The popular media will report that Needy Amin is bragging on himself. They will for some reason fail again to provide any context or facts that would show the bragging to be anything more than empty self-praise. Trump's adoring followers will crow about yet another chimerical accomplishment, and it will pass unchallenged into political lore.

3catwoman3

(24,041 posts)

8. Needy Amin - that is...

Reply to gratuitous (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:43 PM

Apr 2018

...brilliantly perfect.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

6. Well, that's the limit of Trump's interest.

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:05 PM

Apr 2018

Whether a SecState can nail down useful concessions and whether the two Koreas can agree on stuff remains to be seen.

kairos12

(12,872 posts)

11. The outcome will be:

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 06:51 PM

Apr 2018

Withdrawal of U.S. Forces

Kim keeps the nukes.

Drumpt will claim the DMZ is really the wall he's wanted all along.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)

12. I don't think there's any chance in hell they reach an agreement if Trump is there.

Reply to Atticus (Original post)

Mon Apr 23, 2018, 07:05 PM

Apr 2018

Trump is not a professional negotiator, in spite of what he thinks and says. He reads nothing. He knows nothing. If he's in the room, he'll blow up the negotiations that the professionals are trying to accomplish by: interrupting them;, adding his no-nothing two cents worth; over ruling the experts that DO know what they are talking about; and/or by offending the other nations and their negotiators in the room by his actions sending the message that his opinion is the only one that counts; to the point that they walk out of the negotiations.

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