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Benedict Donald uses Nazi term to slur Chuck Todd (Original Post) catbyte Apr 2018 OP
No doubt with a little help from Stephen Miller. -nt CakeGrrl Apr 2018 #1
Probably sharp_stick Apr 2018 #5
Amen to that! moose65 Apr 2018 #18
I noticed this some time ago. maddiemom Apr 2018 #26
Miller looks like Joseph Goebbels lagomorph777 Apr 2018 #48
Or Sebastian Gorka who is more overt. Or tRump's KKK rally father. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #32
Stephen Miller RW alt-right Trump adviser comes from a Democratic Jewish Family Fla Dem Apr 2018 #39
No surprise, same illegitimate occupant of WH says we should imprison and rape honest Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #2
Thank you. That's not something I was aware of. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #3
It's tough keeping up with bigots gratuitous Apr 2018 #4
well, it's from a 'president' who thinks there are good nazis spanone Apr 2018 #6
tRump most have loved Butterflylady Apr 2018 #40
But..but...but...his daughter is a Jew... Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #7
Is Miller Jewish? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #9
Yes, Miller is Jewish. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #11
With Bannon gone, Miller is a likely suspect. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #13
You don't think this asshole learned it on his own or remembered the words of Bannon? Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #15
OK, fair enough. I think the reason for the speculation could be The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #17
Thank you!! Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #20
With all due respect to you atreides1 Apr 2018 #31
he went to Hebrew school and his family is very active in the Jewish community lunasun Apr 2018 #44
You have this info? Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #58
Trump was calling Todd that in 2012, maybe earlier Exotica Apr 2018 #61
According to the article, he IS Jewish by ancestry if not by religious practice. Texin Apr 2018 #49
I'd never heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me if Spanky learned it The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #8
So according to these criteria rsdsharp Apr 2018 #10
This is where the whole thing falls apart. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2018 #38
How do we know True Blue American Apr 2018 #43
Thanks for this information mountain grammy Apr 2018 #12
I'm Jewish, think Trump is an antisemite... 11cents Apr 2018 #14
You could be right, but it's such an odd way of describing someone The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #16
Agree grantcart Apr 2018 #19
Maybe YOU don't know, but I have seen it a few times. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #22
But no links to the use of the term from that article either. 11cents Apr 2018 #53
It doesn't matter. Behind the Aegis Apr 2018 #59
I'm sure racists who know their history or have seen how to spot a jew writings askyagerz Apr 2018 #23
Your entire premise is wholly predicated on your own lack of experience in regards to this word. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #25
No. 11cents Apr 2018 #54
There isn't anything about unusual about Chuck Todd's eyes to naturally inspire the comment gollygee Apr 2018 #57
Trump is too stupid to have put that much thought into it IronLionZion Apr 2018 #21
I grew up with a "Widow's Peak" and love lox and bagels packman Apr 2018 #24
Who woulda thunk? sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #50
Trump's 'Sleepy Eyes' Insult mitch96 Apr 2018 #27
Stephen Miller atreides1 Apr 2018 #28
in 2012? Exotica Apr 2018 #62
I think that Chuck Todd has sleepy eyes and that's why he said it. nt Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #29
Given his family history, daddy and the KKK, there are vast depths to his venom bigbrother05 Apr 2018 #30
I thought this was the oddest insult but bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #33
I knew this would turn out this way. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2018 #34
It's better than having little pink pig eyes. n/t ginnyinWI Apr 2018 #35
Trump does have pig eyes, doesn't he? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #47
That a president sounds like a schoolyard brat while publicly referring to others is bad enough sandensea Apr 2018 #36
So where will the 21st century "Nuremberg Trials" be held in the USA? Moostache Apr 2018 #37
Attached earlobes? left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #41
The Traitor didnt know Lincoln was a Republican and he is to stupid and lazy to look stuff up. As Pepsidog Apr 2018 #42
Whattabout when schlumpy praised activist Frederick Douglass sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #52
Truly stunning display of ignorance by the Traitor in Chief Pepsidog Apr 2018 #55
OMG. I had no idea. OMG. I wonder if Chuck Todd knew. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #45
He really has it in for Todd, doesn't he? ailsagirl Apr 2018 #46
That description sounds like montanacowboy Apr 2018 #51
Apes fling poo. tavernier Apr 2018 #56
Shite for brains trump is projecting his nazi Cha Apr 2018 #60

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
5. Probably
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:25 PM
Apr 2018

Stephen Miller is one creepy creepy dude. He's one of those guys that if you see him around a kids playground you move your kids.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
18. Amen to that!
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

And notice how they've kept Miller out of the public eye, since every time he gives an interview he freaks people out with his dead, soulless stare and scary demeanor.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
26. I noticed this some time ago.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:28 PM
Apr 2018

I had the same thought. Miller does not "present well," to say the least.

Fla Dem

(23,741 posts)
39. Stephen Miller RW alt-right Trump adviser comes from a Democratic Jewish Family
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:19 PM
Apr 2018
Stephen Miller's Liberal Family Is Publicly Wrestling With His Role In The Trump Administration
"Young Mister Miller did his best Goebbels impression. Seig Heil!"


Posted on February 14, 2017, at 12:53 p.m.
Ellie Hall
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Some of Stephen Miller's family members have a problem with the Trump administration as well as their relative's role in it, and have been making their feelings known on their personal Facebook pages.

"With all familial affection, I wish Stephen career success and personal happiness, however I cannot endorse his political preferences," Miller's uncle David S. Glosser wrote in a lengthy comment on the Johnstown, Pennsylvania, newspaper Tribune-Democrat's Facebook page in November, in response to a story about Miller's roots in the area. Stephen's mother, Miriam (Glosser) Miller, who is David's sister, grew up in Johnstown with her family.

"The Glosser family escaped Europe as dirt poor immigrants, joined the community, built businesses, and honestly sold goods to their fellow Johnstowners," Glosser wrote. "My nephew and I must both reflect long and hard on one awful truth. If in the early 20th century the USA had built a wall against poor desperate ignorant immigrants of a different religion, like the Glossers, all of us would have gone up the crematoria chimneys with the other six million kinsmen whom we can never know."

snip

Miller's mother, according to her brother David Glosser, was raised by "life-long Democrats." A Los Angeles Times profile described Miriam and her husband Michael Miller as "A Jewish family of longtime Franklin Roosevelt Democrats." Stephen's parents established the Michael and Miriam Miller Family Foundation, a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, in 2012.

Bit more>>>>
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/stephen-millers-liberal-family-members-have-some?utm_term=.anZz7XNLk#.tgeYGmoa7

Eliot Rosewater

(31,121 posts)
2. No surprise, same illegitimate occupant of WH says we should imprison and rape honest
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:21 PM
Apr 2018

journalists if they report the truth about his behavour.

The PRESIDENT said THAT, not something LIKE that, THAT



When I think of nose holding, email complaints, server complaints, well it is all I can do NOT to lose my FUCKING MIND

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. It's tough keeping up with bigots
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:25 PM
Apr 2018

If they showed only a fraction of the creativity and imagination they devote to their prejudices to something constructive, well, they probably wouldn't be bigots anymore.

Butterflylady

(3,547 posts)
40. tRump most have loved
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:23 PM
Apr 2018

Albert Speer then, one of Hitler's inner circle. During the Nuremberg trials, he was known as the "good Nazi."

Behind the Aegis

(53,985 posts)
7. But..but...but...his daughter is a Jew...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:32 PM
Apr 2018

"Some of his best friends" will be his defense. It is sickening, and as sickening, those blaming his use of the term on a Jew, Miller, via speculation. While Miller is a disgusting POS, i find it equally disgusting that a revelation of anti-Semitism is partially deferred from the user and blame (partial) is placed on a Jew; though I can't say I am surprised.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
13. With Bannon gone, Miller is a likely suspect.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:42 PM
Apr 2018

Although I guess Spanky still talks to Bannon, so maybe he got it from him. Since I didn't even know Miller was Jewish, speculating that he was the origin of the slur wouldn't be a slam on Miller, would it?

Behind the Aegis

(53,985 posts)
15. You don't think this asshole learned it on his own or remembered the words of Bannon?
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:46 PM
Apr 2018

Why the need to speculate the origin of the anti-Semitic slur is a Jew?! FYI: Donald Trump 'kept book of Adolf Hitler's speeches in his bedside cabinet'

"Since I didn't even know Miller was Jewish, speculating that he was the origin of the slur wouldn't be a slam on Miller, would it?" And, now you do. Ignorance is not a justification. Why speculate about it at all? Why not just deal with the known, an anti-Semitic slur used by the "president" of the United States against a Jew?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
17. OK, fair enough. I think the reason for the speculation could be
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

that Trump is too damn stupid to have come up with it himself. But I will accept your criticism and offer my apology.

Behind the Aegis

(53,985 posts)
20. Thank you!!
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:05 PM
Apr 2018

Sincerely, I thank you for listening to me, and understanding why I am finding the initial use insulting, as well as the blaming of a Jew for it. I agree, he is too damn stupid. Frankly, I doubt many are even familiar with the term, even other Jews, but it is big on Stormfront and National Vanguard, which is how I learned it years ago. I have never actually heard it in person.



The Untold Story: Trump's 'Sleepy Eyes' Insult A Jewish Slur Of Nazi Origin

Today, the "sleepy eyes" description is a common dog-whistle for the white nationalist movement.

For instance, there are countless articles published online by hate websites about how to spot someone who is Jewish.

These articles point to the person's eyes, and they often describe them as "sleepy." Examples can be easily found on sites like Stormfront; however, as a policy, we will not link to hate sites.

---snip---

Like a 5 year old in school, Trump may have picked up the term "sleepy eyes" in the halls of the White House -- and used it without knowing what he's saying.

source

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
31. With all due respect to you
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:43 PM
Apr 2018

I don't believe that Miller considers himself to be a Jew, he was born into a Jewish family, but I think that's where it ends for him.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
44. he went to Hebrew school and his family is very active in the Jewish community
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:43 PM
Apr 2018

He was not without a Jewish upbringing and culture around him growing up .

At The Santa Monica Synagogue, members skew liberal, especially when it comes to immigration, said Rabbi Jeffrey Marx, the temple’s longtime rabbi. The confirmation course itself — taught by Marx once a week on Tuesday evenings — sought to instill empathy and respect for the other, the rabbi said.

“We certainly did our best here to teach him the ethical standards of Judaism,” Marx said. “He certainly didn’t grow up not having that knowledge base.”

http://jewishjournal.com/news/nation/216608/hebrew-school-halls-power-stephen-millers-unlikely-journey/

Texin

(2,597 posts)
49. According to the article, he IS Jewish by ancestry if not by religious practice.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:23 PM
Apr 2018

I have a hard time understanding how someone - anyone, really - who is a member of any group who the asshat-in-chief and all his diehard fangurls want to basically wipe them off the planet or segregate them into a ghetto somewhere and render them inferiors. How could they literally have their heads up tRump's ass so far they'd essentially be asking that they be persecuted and murdered by the neo-nazis and KKKers?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
8. I'd never heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me if Spanky learned it
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:34 PM
Apr 2018

from the likes of Steve Miller and used it intentionally (I didn't know Chuck Todd was Jewish, either; but Trump surely did). Just when you think they've reached the bottom of the barrel they just dig through it and keep going.

rsdsharp

(9,197 posts)
10. So according to these criteria
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:38 PM
Apr 2018

Paul Ryan (widow's peak) and Donnie Jr. (weak chin) are Jewish.

Do i have that right?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
38. This is where the whole thing falls apart.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:12 PM
Apr 2018

And then they have to improvise.

The improvising can be as dangerous as the original policy.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
14. I'm Jewish, think Trump is an antisemite...
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:44 PM
Apr 2018

...but this Twitter thread was bullshit. Note that the writer didn't link to a single example of someone actually using "sleepy-eyed" as an antisemitic slur. I've never heard it, and I've encountered plenty of antisemitism and know my history. The fact that it was one of many elements in a Nazi typology doesn't mean that it became salient as a slur; it's not like "hook-nosed." If it wasn't recognized by other antisemites as a slur, and there's no reason to think it was -- the writer gave no links to deplorables high-fiving over it -- then it wasn't a dog-whistle.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
16. You could be right, but it's such an odd way of describing someone
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 12:50 PM
Apr 2018

and clearly intending it as an insult, that you have to wonder where it came from. I don't even get how Todd could be described as "sleepy-eyed" in the first place, since that's not a characteristic I've ever noticed or that anyone else I'm aware of has ever pointed out. I'm not crazy about the guy but he's always looked pretty alert to me. Maybe somebody came up with this explanation for the insult just because there doesn't seem to be anything else that makes sense. (I have also never heard of it as an anti-Semitic insult.)

Behind the Aegis

(53,985 posts)
22. Maybe YOU don't know, but I have seen it a few times.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:10 PM
Apr 2018

Granted, the ONLY places I have ever seen it are Stormfront and the National Vanguard. All the other anti-Semitic sites, I have visited over the years, I can't recall ever seeing that "slur" before. So, just because you are unaware, doesn't mean the white supremacists lurking in the WH don't know it.

The Untold Story: Trump's 'Sleepy Eyes' Insult A Jewish Slur Of Nazi Origin

---snip---

The term "sleepy eyes" originated from Nazi propaganda as a way of identifying Jewish people. But its use became more widespread over the last few decades, when white supremacist media like Stormfront began using it.

Today, the "sleepy eyes" description is a common dog-whistle for the white nationalist movement.

For instance, there are countless articles published online by hate websites about how to spot someone who is Jewish.

--snip---

Like a 5 year old in school, Trump may have picked up the term "sleepy eyes" in the halls of the White House -- and used it without knowing what he's saying.

http://emptylighthouse.com/donald-trumps-sleepy-eyes-insult-white-supremacist-jewish-slur-not-joke-2019550096

Behind the Aegis

(53,985 posts)
59. It doesn't matter.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 08:53 PM
Apr 2018

Is this a case of "I haven't seen it, so it must not exist"? In the general lexicon of run-of-the-mill anti-Semites, this is a rare term. Frankly, before I was exposed to it as an anti-Semitic term a few years back by a now deceased DU'er who used to track Stormfront, I had only heard "sleepy-eyed" as a derogatory term for Japanese people. Keep in mind, unless you are running in Neo-Nazis/White supremacists circles, the likelihood of hearing, much less knowing this term, are slim. That is why it is a dog-whistle. Some, it appears, seem to think "dog whistles" mean they have to have heard it themselves; that's not how dog-whistles work. There are many archaic terms out there, used only in small groups, that's why they are dog-whistles.

Did the "president" know or mean it in an anti-Semitic way? Probably not. My money is that he heard in the halls of the WH, probably from Bannon, or, IMO, Gorka.

I haven't been recently, and I think they changed the format, and most forums can't be "searched" anymore. I just did a quick check, and yep, that feature is gone...I am guessing "members only".

askyagerz

(776 posts)
23. I'm sure racists who know their history or have seen how to spot a jew writings
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:11 PM
Apr 2018

Knows exactly what it means. $20 says that Trump was told this in a private conversation by one of his deplorable friends and ran with it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. Your entire premise is wholly predicated on your own lack of experience in regards to this word.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:26 PM
Apr 2018

Your entire premise is wholly predicated on your own lack of experience in regards to this word... which itself seems a rather flawed manner of thought from the beginning, lacking research, lacking outside perspectives, lacking objective insight into different mores, etc.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
54. No.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 04:20 PM
Apr 2018

It's also based on the fact that the person who wrote the Twitter thread gave absolutely no evidence for it's use as a slur.

If it's a now-to common slur, you'd think there'd be many examples.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
57. There isn't anything about unusual about Chuck Todd's eyes to naturally inspire the comment
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 07:20 PM
Apr 2018

It had to come from somewhere.

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)
21. Trump is too stupid to have put that much thought into it
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:05 PM
Apr 2018

unless someone suggested he use the term. Stephen Miller the self-hating Jewish Nazi might know about it.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
24. I grew up with a "Widow's Peak" and love lox and bagels
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:23 PM
Apr 2018

Who would've thought - No wonder I listen to Neil Diamond and Barbara Streisand music-

All those years of Catholic school and college, were they a waste?? oy vey iz mir

sprinkleeninow

(20,255 posts)
50. Who woulda thunk?
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:32 PM
Apr 2018

Someone in my family married a person of Jewish heritage. My mom's apartment had a mezuzah attached to the doorpost left from the last tenant. I would touch it upon entering and leaving always! When she landed in skilled nursing, it was a facility founded by a Jewish family. She had a mezuzah on the door of her room, and I loved that.

Where the hub attended HS in a heavily Jewish populated area, when there was a high holy day, classes were 75% empty! He always said they shoulda given ever'body the day off! 🕎

Bagels, cream cheese and lox. What's not to love?!

I have two lovely candle holders and an inscribed, porcelain Challah bread dish. Purchased from a local Temple gift shop.

In addition I make a mean Cherry Kugel. 🤗

And I've been immersed in Christ and His Church since 40 days old....

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
28. Stephen Miller
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:33 PM
Apr 2018

That self hating Svengali puke...is probably always whispering in Trump's ear, and Yosemite Sam Bolton is egging him on!!!

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
30. Given his family history, daddy and the KKK, there are vast depths to his venom
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:40 PM
Apr 2018

No telling what lil Donnie learned at his daddy's knee.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
33. I thought this was the oddest insult but
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:50 PM
Apr 2018

Now with context I get it. There is no way Cheeto came up with that on his own.
Trumps father was a kkk member in New York City and just like the founder of the Koch family, the apple did not fall far from the tree.
Thanks for posting!

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
34. I knew this would turn out this way.
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 01:59 PM
Apr 2018

I knew there had to be a reason why he kept calling Chuck such a seemingly random name. I had never heard this one before.

And it has never occurred to me to wonder what religion Chuck Todd might practice.

Resign, racist imposter!

sandensea

(21,664 posts)
36. That a president sounds like a schoolyard brat while publicly referring to others is bad enough
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:11 PM
Apr 2018

To say nothing if he meant it in an anti-Semitic way (but I guess that's the new normal with GOP figures).

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
37. So where will the 21st century "Nuremberg Trials" be held in the USA?
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:12 PM
Apr 2018

I vote for converting Mar a Lago into a prison camp / courthouse / execution chamber or gallows...

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
42. The Traitor didnt know Lincoln was a Republican and he is to stupid and lazy to look stuff up. As
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 02:27 PM
Apr 2018

much as I despise Trump, i think you are giving him way too much credit for this obscure insult to people of Jewish descent.

sprinkleeninow

(20,255 posts)
52. Whattabout when schlumpy praised activist Frederick Douglass
Mon Apr 23, 2018, 03:46 PM
Apr 2018

and made references to him in the PRESENT tense.🤔
Such a stable jeanius.


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