Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
84 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
It's gonna backfire on Reid when Mitt comes up with clean tax filings, people. (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 OP
Love that copter.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #1
Sarcasm or not, elleng Jul 2012 #2
Republican Family Tax-and-Draft Dodging Values Berlum Jul 2012 #3
Clean /= not embarassing. My fave theory is that they'll show he waaaay under-tithed to his church. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #4
And remember Willard is on video saying he didn't know how much he paid in taxes... tridim Jul 2012 #8
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #10
Right. Hope it works. elleng Jul 2012 #14
2009, the year UBS agreed to release the names of secret Swiss Bank Accounts magical thyme Aug 2012 #74
I think there are a lot of bodies buried in those records, and Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #81
and an embarrassingly small percentage of income paid in taxes arely staircase Aug 2012 #76
Maybe not. He's been audited more than once, apparently. He said so. MADem Aug 2012 #77
lol, nice Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #5
Romney is not going to release his tax returns Gothmog Jul 2012 #6
So - whether Mitt paid taxes or not - djean111 Jul 2012 #7
If he releases them at all, it will be too late to verify them and they'll be fakes. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #9
If Romney's tax returns were clean... Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #11
Yep n/t ailsagirl Jul 2012 #12
Yeah, Romney's no genius. AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #70
Base doesnt give a damn.. Vietnameravet Jul 2012 #13
The "base" is not who we are concerned with. Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #16
Also on other group Andy823 Jul 2012 #28
The base is immovable, and isn't enough to win with. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #17
..This hopefully maneuvers him (Romney) into facing the public on a credibility issue!!...."we know lostnote12 Jul 2012 #15
Magic underwear at that. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #18
I am fairly sure you have to go through the temple to get the undies siligut Jul 2012 #20
Were you even able to post that with a straight face LynneSin Jul 2012 #19
I don't know. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #23
Damn it, you got me to click. But it was worth it for the chopper. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #21
He's going to file "amended" returns for all those years. Fuddnik Jul 2012 #22
Likely. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #24
Amended returns take time. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #39
I took "amended" to mean falsified. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #44
That could be shaky ground for the Mitt campaign. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #62
They don't have to be false. Fuddnik Jul 2012 #66
Gawd, this is such a non-starter Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #25
Right. Romney fought in Vietnam Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #26
You're a Hawk? Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #46
Oh My Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #55
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #60
I'm a combat vet. Like Kerry, Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #83
Skinner escorted that one earlier today. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #84
kerry did not become rich iemitsu Jul 2012 #36
A single person didn't destroy American jobs Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #51
romney did destroy many american jobs. iemitsu Aug 2012 #73
Except that Kerry released dozens of tax returns when he ran for office scheming daemons Jul 2012 #38
So has Romney. Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #47
To who? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #48
When was Rmoney "...on the ticket as VP."? Raster Jul 2012 #56
You know - when Mitt Palin was on the McCain ticket. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #59
Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #79
It is an invaluable learning experience. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #82
A. Romney was never on any ticket as VP. B. Not to the public, he didn't. scheming daemons Jul 2012 #67
Good grief get your facts right. He released NOTHING. MADem Aug 2012 #78
So did f*ckwad RMoney. Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #49
When and to who? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #52
What do you want to find? Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #58
I want to know why the hell you are on DU defending W. Mitt Romney. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #61
I have not defended Rmoney Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #63
Why the hell indeed. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #64
Oh, so true. Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #65
When was Romney on the the ticket as VP? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2012 #71
No... he did not. He release 2010 only. No other returns EVER to the public. None. scheming daemons Jul 2012 #68
Democrats are the same as Republicans ... Democrats are the same as Republicans ... Squawk! NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #53
Thank You For Your Concern Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #69
Not even close to being the same. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #72
Oh, deer hootinholler Aug 2012 #75
Does Rmoney want to risk divulging his tax returns if it shows LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #27
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #29
Profits are not "TAX FREE" or tax-exempt johnfunk Jul 2012 #32
Why are you shouting bad grammar? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #34
It doesn't matter if it was all legal scheming daemons Jul 2012 #35
You have serious grammar and spelling issues. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #41
Could you expand on... Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #43
He's dead, Jim. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #54
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #30
By "COMPTER" do you mean helicompter... er, helicopter? johnfunk Jul 2012 #33
Typing in all CAPS indicates a low IQ scheming daemons Jul 2012 #37
Misspelling in all CAPS confirms your theory. Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #57
GET A BAIN, MORAN! Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #80
Seriously what is it with you trolls and the caps lock? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2012 #42
I thought it made it clear that you must be over 13 to sign up here. JaneyVee Jul 2012 #45
There is "clean" as in "legal" and then there is political suicide. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #31
Are they going to dig up the guy in his basement to do Mitt's "returns"? zbdent Jul 2012 #40
Good one Jackpine! kentuck Jul 2012 #50

elleng

(131,102 posts)
2. Sarcasm or not,
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jul 2012

I suspect that whatever he filed was/has been 'clean,' prepared well by well-paid tax lawyer/accountants. The 'unclean' part is the tax code which has allowed this to take place.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
4. Clean /= not embarassing. My fave theory is that they'll show he waaaay under-tithed to his church.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:08 PM
Jul 2012

And then there's the California residency vs voting in Massachusetts issue.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
8. And remember Willard is on video saying he didn't know how much he paid in taxes...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jul 2012

He'd have to "go check".

If he was paying zero for ten years, he'd obviously know. I think Reid just exposed another big fat lie.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. Yes ...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jul 2012

But it'll upset alot of people, even some non-true believer republicans, if he paid zero on $20+ mill of income.

That's the point of this "It might be legal; but it just ain't fair" drill.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
74. 2009, the year UBS agreed to release the names of secret Swiss Bank Accounts
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

and the US offered amnesty to those who had hidden money in Switzerland to avoid paying taxes, so long as they came clean, admitted what they did, and paid all back taxes, plus interest and penalties.

The first year Romney refuses to release taxes for.

Coincidence? We'll find out when he releases 2009, his and Ann's.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
81. I think there are a lot of bodies buried in those records, and
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 03:40 PM
Aug 2012

the amnesty may certainly be among them.

Reid would, of course, only bring up something he knows about. And 2009 is a year later than the records McGrumpy's people saw, so he may not have documentation about this later circumstance. Or, if he does, he's waiting for the right time to drop the next shoe.


This could be a long & interesting campaign.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
76. and an embarrassingly small percentage of income paid in taxes
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:03 PM
Aug 2012

he probably paid virtually no taxes on his 2008 income since so much of his comes from capital gains, and that is the year the stock market collapsed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. Maybe not. He's been audited more than once, apparently. He said so.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:07 PM
Aug 2012

And who knows if he took advantage of an amnesty program, where his sins were forgiven if he just coughed up the money he owed?

Released tax returns might reveal that.

It is obvious that withstanding the storm of demands, mockery, insult and WTF-ing that will not go away is BETTER than releasing those returns. Otherwise, he's release and let it go.

That tells me that where's there's smoke, there's a frigging ten state forest fire going on.

Investigative reporters need to earn their money.

Gothmog

(145,554 posts)
6. Romney is not going to release his tax returns
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:13 PM
Jul 2012

I would love to see Romney try to prove Senator Reid wrong here.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. So - whether Mitt paid taxes or not -
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jul 2012

He says anyone who pays any more in taxes than he has to is not qualified to be president.
But that much-reviled group of people who make so little money that they - following the same rules (ostensibly) as the Mittster - don't make enough money to have to pay federal taxes - why is it bad for poor people but admired greatly for the rich?
I would love to see someone ask Mitt that question.
Hey, maybe he can pick a poor person for VP!!!
Fucking hypocrite.
Just thinking about the purple-faced tea-partiers frothing at the mouth about people too poor to pay taxes, when the rich people who are greasing their skids pay as little as possible or none at all if they can help it - what a bunch of fools. It is the rich who are living large off the backs of the middle class.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
11. If Romney's tax returns were clean...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:54 PM
Jul 2012

he would have released them months ago. There's clearly something he's trying to hide.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
70. Yeah, Romney's no genius.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jul 2012

And if he does release them, you can bet that they've likely been tampered with.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
13. Base doesnt give a damn..
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jul 2012

they would not care if he donated half his income to creating jobs in China...it's all about "winning back America from that out of control foreign-born, Socialist in the White House". ..as these dittoheads collect their SS and demand greater benefits from Medicare..and take lessons in family values from a self-admitted drug abuser who is now with his fourth wife...







Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
16. The "base" is not who we are concerned with.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:07 PM
Jul 2012

We know that they will vote for him. And it is a waste of our time to give a shit about them. (Think about it, we are the same in that we would not be caught dead voting for Romney.) But there are many people who are not committed to either party or candidate, and THEY are the important ones to reach.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
28. Also on other group
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jul 2012

I think there are some republicans that are on the fence about Romney, and if they they think he didn't pay taxes for 10 years, or if they find out he paid those taxes but has other skeletons hiding in his tax returns, they won't be happy. Now they won't vote for president Obama, but they might not vote for Romney either. The ones who already think he is a member of a cult but "might" hold their nose and vote for him anyway, could be swayed also into simply not voting at all!

I also agree with you that a lot of independents would be very unhappy and would vote for president Obama if they think Romney has been cheating on his taxes, or not paying any at all!

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
17. The base is immovable, and isn't enough to win with.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jul 2012

The contest is over the airhead vote. The ones who pay no attention to what's going on, who have no clear conception of the relationship between cause and effect, and who think they're well informed by the media.

lostnote12

(159 posts)
15. ..This hopefully maneuvers him (Romney) into facing the public on a credibility issue!!...."we know
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

...you raked in millions undermining our nation", now face the music you pretentious slime ball....btw as Letterman stated " he looks like an underwear model"........

siligut

(12,272 posts)
20. I am fairly sure you have to go through the temple to get the undies
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jul 2012

Though, I think that they must have spare pairs

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
22. He's going to file "amended" returns for all those years.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jul 2012

That's what they're doing right now. Sanitizing and amending the returns. He'll pay some taxes.

The "amended" returns now become the "official" returns, and the previous filings never existed.

Bet on it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
39. Amended returns take time.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jul 2012

Releasing an amended return will raise even more questions as to what he did on the original ones.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
44. I took "amended" to mean falsified.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jul 2012

Surely a bunch of high-priced consultants could put something together that would pass muster, especially among the media illiterati, who could then ignore any more scholarly analyses.

As long as he doesn't submit the fake forms to IRS (and there would be no reason to do that), the IRS isn't allowed to expose his chicanery, so who would be able to prove otherwise?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
62. That could be shaky ground for the Mitt campaign.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Knowingly providing false tax returns would be digging his grave with an earth mover.

I would imagine that it would raise all kinds of red flags; things for people in the know to dig up and verify. If the Mitt's return(s) turned out to be fake he would be toast.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
66. They don't have to be false.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:52 PM
Jul 2012

Re-jigger the numbers, drop a few credits and losses, and voila! You have a clean, legal tax return.

I'm sure he'd be willing to pay a few million in taxes to end his conundrum.

 

Zanzoobar

(894 posts)
25. Gawd, this is such a non-starter
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jul 2012

Romney is in the same class as Kerry and hundreds of other politicians.

They're the same people with different labels.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
26. Right. Romney fought in Vietnam
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:00 PM
Jul 2012

retroactively.

BTW, Kerry released his taxes when he was running for President.

Response to Yeah Its Spin (Reply #55)

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
83. I'm a combat vet. Like Kerry,
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:39 PM
Aug 2012

I got my eyes opened by my Vietnam experience & came home to join the antiwar movement.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
36. kerry did not become rich
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:14 PM
Jul 2012

by destroying and off-shoring american jobs.
romney did.
i suspect that there is more in the documents than just simple finances. romney, himself, predicted that if more returns were released that his enemies would twist the truth and make up stuff. i wonder what the information suggests?
he may have problems, like one suggested above, concerning where and when he voted over the last decade. this is really the sort of evidence he does not want to release.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
56. When was Rmoney "...on the ticket as VP."?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:38 PM
Jul 2012

I can't ever recall that. I do know when he was being vetted by the McCain team, he gave them 23 years worth of returns THAT WERE NEVER RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC and the McCain team chose Palin.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
59. You know - when Mitt Palin was on the McCain ticket.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:44 PM
Jul 2012

And he released 10 years of returns to the media.

We are just making up nasty stuff about Willard. EVERONE knows he is as honest as the day is long...

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
82. It is an invaluable learning experience.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:28 PM
Aug 2012

That way, the first time I hear a comment/Mittfense like that in polite company, my jaw won't hit my chest and I can address it without prefacing with "wait, what?".

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. Good grief get your facts right. He released NOTHING.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:09 PM
Aug 2012

He "gave" tax returns to John McCain.

McCain decided that Suicide Sarah Palin was "a better choice" than Mittsy.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
52. When and to who?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:36 PM
Jul 2012

All anyone else knows about is 2010. Can you link to all these others?

Kerry also filed annual financial disclosures to the Fed as a senator (as did McCain). Got any of those from Romney's time in the federal government?

 

Zanzoobar

(894 posts)
58. What do you want to find?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jul 2012

Th is distraction is stupid! Mostmembers of congress are millionaires!


This is awful! Get a grip!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
61. I want to know why the hell you are on DU defending W. Mitt Romney.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

But I do give you credit for giving it your all.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
64. Why the hell indeed.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:49 PM
Jul 2012

“When you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains, no matter how improbable, is the answer.”

-S. Holmes

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
72. Not even close to being the same.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:53 AM
Aug 2012

It's not just about the dollar amount of Romney's net worth.

It's about the fact that Romney is completely clueless about how other people live nor does he care. He supports policies that enrich the already-rich at the (literal) expense of the poor and middle class.

Does that describe Kerry? How about the Roosevelts (FDR, Eleanor, TR) or the Kennedys (Jack, Ted, Bobby), all of whom were born into very wealthy families. No. They were rich and yet they fought for those who were not. They were in touch. They cared.

If Romney were fighting for the poor like FDR did then few people would care about his mansions or horses.

LiberalFighter

(51,084 posts)
27. Does Rmoney want to risk divulging his tax returns if it shows
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

that he pays very little in taxes? The argument for the rich needing those tax cuts will go down the drain.

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
35. It doesn't matter if it was all legal
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:13 PM
Jul 2012

The independent and undecided voters won't be comfortable with a millionaire that paid near ZERO in taxes.


Doesn't matter if it was illegal or not.


It reinforces the "Richie Rich" image of Romney and makes him unpalatable to middle-class working Americans.


ps. Typing in all CAPS is a sign of a low IQ.
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
41. You have serious grammar and spelling issues.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:19 PM
Jul 2012

To go along with your complete inability to comprehend and analyze history. Good luck in prison.

 

Yeah Its Spin

(236 posts)
43. Could you expand on...
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER... REID AND HIS ILK ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO PUT FORTH A BUDGET AS THEY ARE
REQUIRED TO DO...

Who are you people?
Who is Reid's ilk?

Thanks

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

johnfunk

(6,113 posts)
33. By "COMPTER" do you mean helicompter... er, helicopter?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:13 PM
Jul 2012

Are you some sort of bitter victim of homeschooling?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
31. There is "clean" as in "legal" and then there is political suicide.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:09 PM
Jul 2012

Blue pill or red one?

Oh - and rec for the helicopter. Very cool!

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
40. Are they going to dig up the guy in his basement to do Mitt's "returns"?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:17 PM
Jul 2012

You know, the guy who claimed he could fabricate a copy of one of the two pieces of evidence that had George W. Bush showing up for National Guard duty ...

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»It's gonna backfire on Re...