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dsc

(52,164 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:41 PM Apr 2018

One of two things is true in regard to Joy Reid

One, she has been framed by hackers. Two, she posted homophobic garbage as recently as 12 years ago and lied about it as recently as this week. If one is true, then clearly Joy Reid has nothing to apologize for. If two is true, forget about the words she wrote, the fact she is out and out lying is a huge problem. A journalist lives on his or her credibility and she would have none. I hope her story is accurate, and it might be, but honestly it is a bit hard to swallow. On her side is the apparent lack of comments on these newly found posts which does strike one as bizarre. Against her is that not one but two different archives with no apparent axes to grind stated publicly that the old posts were saved back in 2006. Also against her is the fact that she isn't saying exactly which posts have been hacked and which haven't. I am no tech expert.

If she hasn't been hacked and is out and out lying that is a major problem. The posts are also a major problem. Let's be real this isn't opposing marriage equality. This is out and out hatred of gays that was posted. Would we accept this kind of bigotry about any other group? I hope Joy is telling the truth. If she isn't, she needs to be gone, yesterday.

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One of two things is true in regard to Joy Reid (Original Post) dsc Apr 2018 OP
Why don't you show the evidence of one side or the other? Why play this game of either or? wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #1
This! mcar Apr 2018 #2
Here dsc Apr 2018 #3
Produce the said way back machine evidence then let's talk. wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #4
You mean the evidence that Joy Reid caused to be hidden dsc Apr 2018 #5
Now you're making accusations that come from literally nowhere else. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #7
The Atlantic is saying that dsc Apr 2018 #8
The Atlantic is saying Reid is hiding evidence? Where? TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #10
This is the mother fucking paragrah dsc Apr 2018 #14
But the replies would be linked with the original message - and they aren't there. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #19
I said in my original posts that there were no replies to the post dsc Apr 2018 #21
If you're not a liar, then you're a dupe. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #28
It isn't a lie dsc Apr 2018 #29
You said Joy Reid is intentionally hiding evidence. This is a lie. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #32
Seeing TWBM wouldn't take them down after her experts found ghosting of text on the post !!! uponit7771 Apr 2018 #9
Not according to them her experts didn't dsc Apr 2018 #11
Her experts ... DID... request the post be taken down from TWBM. TWBM refused uponit7771 Apr 2018 #15
They looked at the evidence and found it lacking dsc Apr 2018 #17
Link and quote TWBM looking at the evidence of ghosting from Reid's team. uponit7771 Apr 2018 #20
Paragraphs 5 through 7 dsc Apr 2018 #26
TWBM looked at ... THEIR archive ... NOT evidence from Reid's blog !!! uponit7771 Apr 2018 #30
The posts are there on the link. They do not seem to me to be from a homophobic person. wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #12
*** DING DING DING !!! *** At the end of the day Reid is ... NOT ... homophobic the rest is noise uponit7771 Apr 2018 #16
One of the posts literally said that gays molest teens dsc Apr 2018 #18
Link and quote, thx in advance ... this sentiment is NOT expressed among the post I read uponit7771 Apr 2018 #23
This is paragraph 2 of the article I linked in the OP dsc Apr 2018 #27
That's not her whole statement, please link and quote her whole statement and not just uponit7771 Apr 2018 #31
Breitbart is reposting this article from The Atlantic... musette_sf Apr 2018 #24
The article from the Atlantic has some claims which she didn't say, they're parting out uponit7771 Apr 2018 #33
Yep n/t musette_sf Apr 2018 #34
I hope shes telling the truth too mountain grammy Apr 2018 #6
I have seen several threads on this Joy Reid person Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #13
She is one of the few jounalist peabody Apr 2018 #22
I avoid most of the cable noise programs Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #25
I find her very educational. peabody Apr 2018 #35
She's brilliant; MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #36
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
1. Why don't you show the evidence of one side or the other? Why play this game of either or?
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:44 PM
Apr 2018

Evidence please or innocent until proven guilty. That is our standard by which all of us expect to be judged.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
5. You mean the evidence that Joy Reid caused to be hidden
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 08:57 PM
Apr 2018

honestly that is pretty damning that she has blocked the ability to look at those posts. No I don't think the wayback people are liars. No I don't think the library of congress are liars. The fact is the evidence looks bad. And the part we can't see is because of actions she has taken.

It’s not possible to view the Internet Archive’s public stash of Reid blog posts because Reid’s team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
7. Now you're making accusations that come from literally nowhere else.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:02 PM
Apr 2018

You're making shit up. Literally.

This whole thing stinks. People pushing the "Joy Reid is evil" story are being played. And the players are the ones who brought us The Donald Trump Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=ioBhGmfYDKo

dsc

(52,164 posts)
8. The Atlantic is saying that
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:03 PM
Apr 2018

I literally cut and pasted my last paragraph from them. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
10. The Atlantic is saying Reid is hiding evidence? Where?
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:06 PM
Apr 2018

If you don't want to be called a liar, then maybe you shouldn't lie.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
14. This is the mother fucking paragrah
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:10 PM
Apr 2018

from the mother fucking article I posted.

It’s not possible to view the Internet Archive’s public stash of Reid blog posts because Reid’s team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it. It is the 9th paragraph. It is right there in mother fucking black and white. DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR. AGAIN, IT IS DIRECTLY FROM THE TEXT. I COPIED IT AND PASTED IT AND DIDN'T ADD OR SUBTRACT A SINGLE MOTHER FUCKING WORD.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
19. But the replies would be linked with the original message - and they aren't there.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:18 PM
Apr 2018

And nothing in the Atlantic article even hints that this is malicious. Try again.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
21. I said in my original posts that there were no replies to the post
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:21 PM
Apr 2018

what you accused me of lying about was the fact that she has made it so we can't look at them any more and the Atlantic says exactly that. Here is the paragraph again.

It’s not possible to view the Internet Archive’s public stash of Reid blog posts because Reid’s team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it.

and here is the line from my post where I clearly say that there were no responses.

On her side is the apparent lack of comments on these newly found posts which does strike one as bizarre.

DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
28. If you're not a liar, then you're a dupe.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:29 PM
Apr 2018

You're implying that Reid is being malicious, when there's no evidence of that & even the Atlantic doesn't imply that. Either you're spreading that falsehood intentionally, or you're not.

Maybe you should just delete that post with the lie in it, then?

dsc

(52,164 posts)
29. It isn't a lie
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:31 PM
Apr 2018

the Atlantic says exactly what I said it said. She had code inserted in and that is the only reason we can't read the posts on the wayback machine.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
32. You said Joy Reid is intentionally hiding evidence. This is a lie.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:34 PM
Apr 2018

And it didn't come from the Atlantic article.

Try again.

edit:
And I see the original post with the lie included has been removed. And not by you.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
9. Seeing TWBM wouldn't take them down after her experts found ghosting of text on the post !!!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:05 PM
Apr 2018

I'm sure you didn't mean to leave that part out

dsc

(52,164 posts)
17. They looked at the evidence and found it lacking
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:15 PM
Apr 2018

you didn't say they asked for the post to be removed, you said they had proof it had been tampered with and they refused to remove it. Those are two rather different things.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
26. Paragraphs 5 through 7
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:27 PM
Apr 2018

of the article linked in my OP that you apparently couldn't be bothered to read.

The posts had been dug up on the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, which maintains copies of many pages on the web. When Reid said she’d been hacked, many jumped to the conclusion that it was the Wayback Machine that had been hacked. On its blog, the Internet Archive said that Reid’s lawyers had contacted them about a possible hack, but that they had no indication that one had occurred.

“This past December, Reid’s lawyers contacted us, asking to have archives of the blog (blog.reidreport.com) taken down, stating that ‘fraudulent’ posts were ‘inserted into legitimate content’ in our archives of the blog,” they wrote. “Her attorneys stated that they didn’t know if the alleged insertion happened on the original site or with our archives (the point at which the manipulation is to have occurred, according to Reid, is still unclear to us).”

On review, the Internet Archive “found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions.”

That is them claiming to have reviewed her evidence and found it lacking. Exactly and precisely what I said.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
30. TWBM looked at ... THEIR archive ... NOT evidence from Reid's blog !!!
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:32 PM
Apr 2018

Her experts had evidence from HER blog that the post were not her's

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
12. The posts are there on the link. They do not seem to me to be from a homophobic person.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:07 PM
Apr 2018

They are insensitive but Joy is not anti gay. To paint her as such is disingenuous.

I want to see evidence that she is homophobic if you can produce it.

She is too important to us today. Anyone on the left who is as effective as she is will be attacked and some of us will willingly shoot ourselves in the back.

Let's stop this character assassination of our effective leaders.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
23. Link and quote, thx in advance ... this sentiment is NOT expressed among the post I read
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:22 PM
Apr 2018

... is there a new set?

Regards

dsc

(52,164 posts)
27. This is paragraph 2 of the article I linked in the OP
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:29 PM
Apr 2018

and you apparently couldn't be bothered to read.

The new round of posts contain a lot of cliche gay jokes about Charlie Crist and others, concerns that “adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types, bringing them ‘into the lifestyle,’” and commentary like “part of the intrinsic nature of ‘straightness’ is that the idea of homosexual sex is ... well ... gross ... even if you think that gay people are perfectly lovely individuals.”

emphasis mine.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
31. That's not her whole statement, please link and quote her whole statement and not just
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:33 PM
Apr 2018

... part of it and saying she's saying this.

You're leaving out some salient information in your post man

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
33. The article from the Atlantic has some claims which she didn't say, they're parting out
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:37 PM
Apr 2018

... even what was hacked in the blog.

This is some screwed up stuff

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. I have seen several threads on this Joy Reid person
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:10 PM
Apr 2018

and have to ask just why is she or what she says of any importance? I understand that she has a cable infotainment news show of some sort, but there are numerous talking heads on many of the "we need to fill the 24/7 airtime with something, so we repeatedly talk a lot about what might or could be."

I can not fathom why any of them garner any interest.

peabody

(445 posts)
22. She is one of the few jounalist
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:21 PM
Apr 2018

who isn't afraid of strongly pushing back against the right WHILE THEY ARE BEING INTERVIEWED. She argues with facts quite well and she's a strong liberal. Those of us who seen her in action appreciate her strength; we can use more journalists like her.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
25. I avoid most of the cable noise programs
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:25 PM
Apr 2018

so I can't say as I have seen her and suspect that I will likely not.

peabody

(445 posts)
35. I find her very educational.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 09:53 PM
Apr 2018

Watch this take down of a Republican spewing trash about Uranium One. I have to deal with the same talking points from people around me sometimes and Joy arms me with the facts that I can use to shut them down.

[link:

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MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
36. She's brilliant;
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 10:27 PM
Apr 2018

She doesn't get pushed around, doesn't get talked over. I am proud of her. I expect most women are. She is a liberal weapon. We don't want to lose her.

I suspect this is payback for Laura Ingram.

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