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RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:15 PM Apr 2018

Something I don't understand about Guiliani representing Trump

His hands are pretty dirty in this whole debacle. Why is Mueller allowing him to represent Trump?

I hope it doesn't mean that Guiliani is NOT in Mueller's sites. That would be such a huge disappointment to me.

Any ideas??

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Something I don't understand about Guiliani representing Trump (Original Post) RandomAccess Apr 2018 OP
Does Mueller have any say in who represents Trump? milestogo Apr 2018 #1
Exactly... pbmus Apr 2018 #2
My thoughts as well. triron Apr 2018 #7
here - RandomAccess Apr 2018 #18
Yes, absiolutely. If someone is a subject RandomAccess Apr 2018 #17
Why would Mueller even care or have a say about which crook lawyer represents Trump? emulatorloo Apr 2018 #3
What do you mean, allowing? As long as he has a license, Giuliani can represent anybody. Shrike47 Apr 2018 #4
He's got a license jberryhill Apr 2018 #5
Guiliani can represent Trump unless he is identified as a witness. TomSlick Apr 2018 #6
Well, Toensing and DiGenova couldn't but they're only RandomAccess Apr 2018 #19
He's out and about on TV giving his opinion on shit...he is "representing" RUMP on TV and in the Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #8
Based on what is in the public record there is clearly a *potential* conflict RockRaven Apr 2018 #9
Let me add this to your comment. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #11
This is what I've been hoping. Control-Z Apr 2018 #13
Rudy has always worked the Ref's. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #14
As I was saying, Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #16
At last - - someone who gets it RandomAccess Apr 2018 #21
Mueller has no control over whom Trump chooses to represent him. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #10
If Rudy is involved in any of this dirt, wouldn't being Trump's lawyer give him access Marie Marie Apr 2018 #12
That's my fear RandomAccess Apr 2018 #20
Mueller has a say in whether Giuliani can Represent Trump ? JI7 Apr 2018 #15
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
17. Yes, absiolutely. If someone is a subject
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:56 PM
Apr 2018

of the investigation, they can't. Plus --

Remember that DiGenova and Toensing represented Trump for about an hour and a half? It was either speculated or reported that Mueller told them they couldn't since they represented someone who's a witness.

So, if he's looking at ANYTHING about Guiliani (and he should be), I don't know Guiliani can be Trump's attorney.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
4. What do you mean, allowing? As long as he has a license, Giuliani can represent anybody.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:22 PM
Apr 2018

Mueller has absolutely no role in choosing Trump’s attorney or authority to dismiss Trump’s attorney.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. He's got a license
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:29 PM
Apr 2018

Thrill me to this theory that the prosecutor gets to decide whether a licensed attorney may represent a client.

TomSlick

(11,102 posts)
6. Guiliani can represent Trump unless he is identified as a witness.
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:30 PM
Apr 2018

If I were Guiliani, I would be asking myself if there are questions Mueller wanted to ask me. It's clear a lawyer cannot appear as counsel and witness in the same case.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
8. He's out and about on TV giving his opinion on shit...he is "representing" RUMP on TV and in the
Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:34 PM
Apr 2018

media....he ain't gonna be in the courtroom...well maybe....tee hee.

RockRaven

(14,977 posts)
9. Based on what is in the public record there is clearly a *potential* conflict
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:32 AM
Apr 2018

and I expect the conflict will eventually manifest itself in court filings.

I doubt Rudy will ever put his name to any court filing or appear as counsel in any hearing on this matter. I suspect his role to be more sideline advice and trying/failing to schmooze Mueller's people.

In any case Mueller can't dictate who does/doesn't represent Trump. Imagine a criminal justice system where a prosecutor could choose/veto a defendant's lawyer.

That being said, my understanding is that as a general standard a prosecutor has a professional ethical obligation not to ignore when a defendant has a clearly conflicted defense counsel. Once the prosecutor raises the issue with the defendant and they choose to proceed anyway, now that's on the defendant. Of course the conflicted defense counsel would still have to answer to the bar for any inappropriate action on their end. But maybe he'd risk the ire of the bar and act totally unethically anyway. I'm not sure Rudy needs or cares about an active law license since he seems to be more a lobbyist/consultant/pundit than lawyer.


Also I could be totally wrong about everything b/c most of what I know about law I learned from podcasts.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
11. Let me add this to your comment.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:38 AM
Apr 2018

Rudy is just running interference his Buddy Trump. My guess is,Comey will take Rudy to the wood shed in a couple of weeks.

Team Mueller knows who the Players are,and,it takes time to put cases together in order to take these Players out of the game.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Rudy has always worked the Ref's.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:12 AM
Apr 2018

And that is what he is up to . Remember,Team Mueller most likely has the names and rank of every outlaw Agent in the NYC FBI Field Office.

Appears we are seeing a Foreign Espionage Case Building,and know one is uttering Treason at this Point in time.

About a week ago,one of the Major Print Reporters mentioned this,Mueller is using a 1948 Statute in charging people so far. Crimes against the United States. Do recall it being used in and around the McCarthy era.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. As I was saying,
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:36 AM
Apr 2018

Rudy is showing his true intent. Noticed he is attacking Comey,calling him a embarrassment to the FBI . As I mentioned,just throwing garbage and seeing what sticks to the wall.

Again,you mess with the Agencies and the Agencies will balance the books.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
10. Mueller has no control over whom Trump chooses to represent him.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:33 AM
Apr 2018

If for some reason Giuliani becomes a witness, or more than that, he will not be able to represent Trump in court but that has to do with lawyers' rules of professional conduct.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
12. If Rudy is involved in any of this dirt, wouldn't being Trump's lawyer give him access
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:44 AM
Apr 2018

to some of what Muller has or is pursuing? In other words, could he find out what they may have on HIM?

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