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MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:30 AM Apr 2018

Data Mining for Scandal or Retribution - Joy Reid Is a Victim of This

It happens. People who want something to pin on someone now have incredible tools to dig out everything that person has written on the Internet. It's all out there, and searchable. Even long-gone websites can be searched since pretty much everything written on the web has been archived carefully.

Worse, context is not often considered when someone wants to damage another person's reputation. Simply by quoting some words written long ago, but by leaving out the context, it can be claimed that that person is an awful human being with thoughts that every decent person should condemn.

In today's unforgiving political environment, finding and publicizing even a few out-of-context or even fake writings can overwhelm even a huge body of current writings. We're very quick to throw people under the bus these days for something they may or may not have said or written 10 or 15 years ago. We'll gleefully ignore mountains of good work toward progress to destroy people.

It's a shame. Many people have felt the weight of such negative data mining. No amount of explanation or presentation of surrounding context will repair the damage in many cases. No apologies for old words are enough. Old words can destroy a person, especially if they are presented publicly by those who devoutly wish to destroy a person and who are less than honorable.

All a person being attacked can do is to hope the situation improves with time. All that person can do is continue to do whatever it is they are doing that is good and hope people will recognize that out-of-context statements made in the past should not be the measure of anyone. Hoping for balance and reasonable consideration is the only defense, really.

Many people have had such things happen to them. The more outspoken they are, the more likely they have, at one time or another, said or written things they might regret or that could be used against them if the context is removed. All one can do is continue on a current path and hope for the best.

It has happened to me. It can happen to anyone. It could happen to you.

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Data Mining for Scandal or Retribution - Joy Reid Is a Victim of This (Original Post) MineralMan Apr 2018 OP
She can no longer be an effective voice for Democrats. Period leftstreet Apr 2018 #1
It's a deliberate campaign to destroy her credibility. MineralMan Apr 2018 #3
She just fucked her credibility by claiming "I was hacked". Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #4
Well, it sounds like she destroyed her own leftstreet Apr 2018 #6
The petition from Bernie supporters to have her fired will save her. R B Garr Apr 2018 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Apr 2018 #7
Yes! It is so loaded with all their usual self-serving baggage. R B Garr Apr 2018 #9
Is there such a petition or are you just slinging crap ? CentralMass Apr 2018 #12
They were posted on this site. Why so mad because you didn't see it?? R B Garr Apr 2018 #13
I'm not mad and no I didn't see it. My take on this. CentralMass Apr 2018 #18
Says who? Sunsky Apr 2018 #10
No one knows who Joy is huh? tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #30
I'm wondering the same thing Sunsky Apr 2018 #36
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #20
HC irisblue Apr 2018 #23
That's the same logic being applied to Joy Reid... HipChick Apr 2018 #28
This is the second time you have posted this...provide a leak. One should support Democrats. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #32
Yes she can. I won't let the GOP be the arbiter of who I allow to speak for me...haven't you learned Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #31
Thankfully I don't have a history of homophobic commentary. (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #2
I'm sure you've never said anything in your adult life that might be embarrassing now... NT Adrahil Apr 2018 #15
Pure as the driven snow. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #27
Why not just apologize and move on? oberliner Apr 2018 #8
Probably b/c evidence shows her blog was hacked. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #11
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #14
More accurately she is claiming that's what the evidence shows mythology Apr 2018 #16
Which is why Reid, her attys & MSNBC got the FBI to investigate. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #17
What evidence? oberliner Apr 2018 #19
There are a dozen posts right now on DU. Try reading them. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #21
No evidence of hacking is provided in any DU posts oberliner Apr 2018 #22
So, on one side there's *ALL* of the people who know her personnally supporting her. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #24
The claim that she was hacked is dubious oberliner Apr 2018 #25
Who said? TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #26
It is being investigated...or would you like a Frankenesque result? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #34
The problem is not data mining; the problem is all or nothing reaction to the stuff dug up FarCenter Apr 2018 #29
Unless it is someone we dislike. MichMan Apr 2018 #35
From Malcom Nance Gothmog Apr 2018 #33

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
1. She can no longer be an effective voice for Democrats. Period
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:35 AM
Apr 2018

It doesn't really matter what did or didn't happen at this point

Apparently FOX news itself is now all over this

Strategically, she is becoming a liability - which is odd given that prior to this no one in the real world had even heard of her

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. She just fucked her credibility by claiming "I was hacked".
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:41 AM
Apr 2018

There's absolutely no reason to believe that those blog posts, which were captured by the Internet Archive in 2005, 2006, 2007, and have dates of archival near-contemporary with their posting, were "hacked"; nor is there any reason to believe that the text in any of the screenshots of said posts was deliberately manipulated (when those posts are viewable through various web archives).

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
6. Well, it sounds like she destroyed her own
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:43 AM
Apr 2018

first with homophobic slurs (which apparently people forgave) and now with evidently lying about dubious time-traveling hackers

You make good points about deliberate campaigns to destroy the credibility of politicians and media figures. We've seen it a million times. But in this case, it's game over anyway

R B Garr

(16,955 posts)
5. The petition from Bernie supporters to have her fired will save her.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:42 AM
Apr 2018

It is a very transparent strategy.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #5)

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
18. I'm not mad and no I didn't see it. My take on this.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:24 AM
Apr 2018

I did vote for Bernie in the primary and while I dont have cable or watch MSNBC I do recall interviews and other snippets from Joy Reid sniping at Berniei his wife, and supporter being posted here. However I don't really care about that. Regarding her past admitted homophobic comments, that is between her, Her employer and her listeners to judge and weigh in on. If she is not being truthful about her blog being retroactively hacked, that is a matter of journalistic integrity. Personally I don't sign petitions to get people fired and I am no more or less inclined to watch her because of this .

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
10. Says who?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:56 AM
Apr 2018

Who made you the authority on who can and cannot speak for Democrats? Who cares what Faux noise is reporting?

"prior to this no one in the real world had even heard of her"... that statement is laughable at best. Now let me get back to my fake/alternate world

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
30. No one knows who Joy is huh?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:12 PM
Apr 2018

Yesterday, she was just someone that had a Sunday show, despite her huge online following. Now no one in the real world knows her. Despite her being featured in a major magazine next month by the way -
Someone said most blacks don't know her - Do they know about Black Twitter.LOL - Did they know about her Beef with Rapper Killer Mike and his appearance on NRA TV and how that played out on black media?

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
36. I'm wondering the same thing
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:19 PM
Apr 2018

I guess we just live in an imaginary world, where Joy-Ann Reid is a known television host and has a huge following on social media

Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
28. That's the same logic being applied to Joy Reid...
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:04 PM
Apr 2018

She has a large following of black women support - G/L with another 4 yrs of Trump and his shenanigans..Blue Wave is likely to be a tiny spray instead...

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
32. This is the second time you have posted this...provide a leak. One should support Democrats.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:17 PM
Apr 2018

Are you saying if the Sanders supporters (some ) and the right wing are able to destroy Joy Black women won't vote for Democrats? Clarify please.

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
31. Yes she can. I won't let the GOP be the arbiter of who I allow to speak for me...haven't you learned
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:16 PM
Apr 2018

anything since Franken...of course most Sanders supporters hate Joy...not saying you do.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
11. Probably b/c evidence shows her blog was hacked.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:00 AM
Apr 2018

It's not like it doesn't happen every day to thousands of people. Reid detractors are treating the explanation as if she was blaming space aliens, or ghosts.

Response to TheSmarterDog (Reply #11)

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. More accurately she is claiming that's what the evidence shows
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:11 AM
Apr 2018

Anthony Weiner claimed to be hacked for example. Let's see her evidence.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
17. Which is why Reid, her attys & MSNBC got the FBI to investigate.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:15 AM
Apr 2018

But then, some idiots think that itself is a sign of guilt.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
21. There are a dozen posts right now on DU. Try reading them.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:40 AM
Apr 2018

Also, none of her followers remember them, none of her editors remember them, they don't match her expressed views at the time, they have no replies, she was on the air working when they were supposedly posted, they're not written in the same style as she used, they used different wording, etc etc etc.

For the RW "Joy is evil" narrative to be true, literally *ALL* of the people she's dealt with during that time would have had to have collective amnesia about these specific unusual, offensive & out of character posts & no others.

This whole thing is a set up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=ioBhGmfYDKo

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. No evidence of hacking is provided in any DU posts
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:47 AM
Apr 2018

Nor does anything you've written here include evidence of hacking.

Also, she has apologized for past homophobic blog posts.

If you read through The Reid Report blog from 2005, the post from March that contains homophobic content actually has exactly the same style, wording, etc. as the other blog posts from that time (none of which have replies).

My take is - she should have just apologized and moved on. The hacking claim seems pretty dubious.

 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
24. So, on one side there's *ALL* of the people who know her personnally supporting her.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:52 AM
Apr 2018

Including LBGT people. Including people who knew her at the time the posts were supposedly created. Including members of DU.

And on the other side there's Fox News, Brietbart, Wikileaks & Glen Greenwald. None of whom I'd trust to keep my fake houseplants alive for a week.

And you're going with the other side?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. The claim that she was hacked is dubious
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:57 AM
Apr 2018

Here's the Huffington Post:


I share the skepticism.

If Joy Reid had given the same statement with respect to these posts that she gave to her previous ones, I would have happily accepted that and moved on.
 

TheSmarterDog

(794 posts)
26. Who said?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:03 PM
Apr 2018

That article is just a re-hash of the original story pushed by Fox News, Breitbart, Wikileaks & Glen Greenwald.

IT'S A SET UP!!!

Get your head out of your ass.

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
34. It is being investigated...or would you like a Frankenesque result?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:19 PM
Apr 2018

And again I don't give a damn either way.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
29. The problem is not data mining; the problem is all or nothing reaction to the stuff dug up
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:08 PM
Apr 2018

Judging a person entirely on limited information about one aspect of their character is unfair and destructive.

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