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BREAKING: Senate Special Counsel Bill passes Judiciary Committee 14-7 (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2018 OP
Wow wryter2000 Apr 2018 #1
But McTurtle says he wont allow a vote. spooky3 Apr 2018 #2
I should have known better. n/t wryter2000 Apr 2018 #4
I seem to remember that there's a procedural move... WePurrsevere Apr 2018 #9
I remember that, too, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is. Vinca Apr 2018 #21
There used to be a work around by going through Rules Stryst Apr 2018 #24
"Passed" implies it is binding caraher Apr 2018 #41
Privileged resolution BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #43
Thanks - that's it. Vinca Apr 2018 #44
This puts the Trump-Russia collusion issue right into McCONnell's lap. Keep the ball in his court.nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #15
Couldn't McConnell be challenged as Majority Leader? maryallen Apr 2018 #29
I think only the Majority can force a challenge to the Majority Leader. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #30
limbaugh screamed about those treasonous senators and that's why mcconnel certainot Apr 2018 #34
Which is why they need to keep trying. This is the ripping of the gop, and it's overdue. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #35
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Apr 2018 #3
Booyah! Look out Mitch -- coming to get you! KPN Apr 2018 #5
Tick - tick - tick FakeNoose Apr 2018 #27
I think at least McCONnell is complicit & maybe Ryan too. Less "kept quiet"; more like "treasonous". Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #31
McTurtle took the filthy russian oligarch $$ and 45 will take him down when he goes. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #36
I wonder if this addressed Feinstein's earlier concerns? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #6
republican'ts desperately need Mueller to get TraitorTrump for criminal acts S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #7
If McTurtle wants to retire, he can block this vote. lagomorph777 Apr 2018 #13
Grassley voted "aye"? That actually surprises me. PearliePoo2 Apr 2018 #8
Kind of surprises me also. Yet I still think he is playing a cynical game rurallib Apr 2018 #11
I'm cynical about his actions too. PearliePoo2 Apr 2018 #18
I think he and Turtle had it already planned, just like Garland rurallib Apr 2018 #19
I believe Grassley is one of the republican'ts who understands how desperately... S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #14
Yeah, could be! PearliePoo2 Apr 2018 #17
That was when they first saw the Steele Dossier and other proof of his collusion FakeNoose Apr 2018 #26
Not surprised one bit. awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #20
I think he knows how bad it is, Volaris Apr 2018 #25
Wait! Is this the same bill that gives congress oversight? MelissaB Apr 2018 #10
I think that provision was dropped per dailykos rurallib Apr 2018 #12
Whew! Thank you so much. MelissaB Apr 2018 #22
I doubt there is any chance any bill will pass either house anyway rurallib Apr 2018 #28
Anyone voting against this Bill needs some scrutiny. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #16
Who voted no? We need their names. n/t rainin Apr 2018 #23
Mitch will say no. sarcasmo Apr 2018 #32
Grassley's a snake. He played Obama, knowing he sought bipartisan oasis Apr 2018 #33
They are all snakes. Some more cunning than others. Va Lefty Apr 2018 #38
Turtle will not allow a Senate Vote, and Speaker Munster will not allow a House vote, even if it red dog 1 Apr 2018 #37
OMG.. what special kind of hell will trump dream up for these 4? Cha Apr 2018 #39
Now what. Seriously. I don't trust the process. ancianita Apr 2018 #40
This is good news. Nitram Apr 2018 #42

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
9. I seem to remember that there's a procedural move...
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:38 AM
Apr 2018

That can be done to get around him but I might be muddling it with parliamentary rules. If there's not, there should be.

Vinca

(50,285 posts)
21. I remember that, too, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:25 PM
Apr 2018

I hope what I'm thinking of isn't something that just applies to the House and not the Senate.

Stryst

(714 posts)
24. There used to be a work around by going through Rules
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:09 PM
Apr 2018

But in the mid 90's the Hastert Rule got passed. The Hastert Rule says that the Speaker will not schedule a floor vote on any bill that does not have majority support within his or her party — even if the majority of the members of the House would vote to pass it. The rule keeps the minority party from passing bills with the assistance of a minority of majority party members.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
41. "Passed" implies it is binding
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:21 AM
Apr 2018

But it isn't binding at all - it's just a practice (Republican) Speakers use to reduce the risk of a minority party getting anything done.

A Speaker could ignore it any time they like - and in fact, Pelosi disregarded the rule seven times as Speaker

BumRushDaShow

(129,165 posts)
43. Privileged resolution
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 09:36 AM
Apr 2018

The only thing is, whether use of that rule is applicable to the type of resolution being presented.

14. Privileged Motions are such as, while not relating to the pending question, are of so great importance as to require them to take precedence of all other questions, and, on account of this high privilege, they are undebatable. They cannot have any subsidiary motion applied to them, except the motions to fix the time to which to adjourn, and to take a recess, which may be amended. But after the assembly has actually taken up the orders of the day or a question of privilege, debate and amendment are permitted and the subsidiary motions may be applied the same as on any main motion. These motions are as follows, being arranged in order of precedence:

Privileged Motions.

Fix the Time to which to Adjourn (if made while another question is pending) 16
Adjourn (if unqualified and if it has not the effect to dissolve the assembly) 17
Take a Recess (if made when another question is pending) 18
Raise a Question of Privilege 19
Call for Orders of the Day 20


http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-02.htm#14


19. Questions of Privilege. Questions relating to the rights and privileges of the assembly, or to any of its members, take precedence of all other motions except the three preceding relating to adjournment and recess, to which they yield. If the question is one requiring immediate action it may interrupt a member's speech; as, for example, when, from any cause, a report that is being read cannot be heard in a part of the hall. But if it is not of such urgency it should not interrupt a member after he has commenced his speech. Before a member has commenced speaking, even though he has been assigned the floor, it is in order for another member to raise a question of privilege. When a member rises for this purpose he should not wait to be recognized, but immediately on rising should say, "Mr. Chairman," -- and when he catches the chairman's eye, should add, "I rise to a question of privilege affecting the assembly," or "I rise to a question of personal privilege." The chair directs him to state his question. and then decides whether it is one of privilege or not. From this decision any two members may appeal. The chair may decide it to be a question of privilege, but not of sufficient urgency to justify interrupting the speaker. In such a case the speaker should be allowed to continue, and, when he has finished, the chair should immediately assign the floor to the member who raised the question of privilege to make his motion if one is necessary. Whenever his motion is made and stated, it becomes the immediately pending question and is open to debate and amendment and the application of all the other subsidiary motions just as any main motion. Its high privilege extends only to giving it the right to consideration in preference to any other question except one relating to adjournment or recess, and, in cases of great urgency, the right to interrupt a member while speaking. It cannot interrupt voting or verifying a vote. As soon as the question of privilege is disposed of, the business is resumed exactly where it was interrupted; if a member had the floor at the time the question of privilege was raised, the chair assigns him the floor again.

Questions of privilege may relate to the privileges of the assembly or only of a member, the former having the precedence if the two come into competition. Questions of personal privilege must relate to one as a member of the assembly, or else relate to charges against his character which, if true, would incapacitate him for membership. Questions like the following relate to the privileges of the assembly: those relating to the organization of the assembly; or to the comfort of its members, as the heating, lighting, ventilation, etc., of the hall, and freedom from noise and other disturbance; or to the conduct of its officers or employees; or to the punishing of a member for disorderly conduct or other offence; or to the conduct of reporters for the press, or to the accuracy of published reports of proceedings.

Privileged questions include, besides questions of privilege, a call for the orders of the day and the privileged motions relating to adjournment and recess. This distinction between privileged questions and questions of privilege should be borne in mind.

http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-03.htm#19


The House seems to do this more than the Senate but some recent examples were these -

GOP resolution to impeach IRS Commissioner. (resulted in passage of a "motion to refer to Committee" after the "motion to table" was defeated, but the former motion still pretty much killed it because the Commissioner would resign anyway due to the upcoming change in administration)

Al Green's impeachment resolution (resulted in passage of a "motion to table" which killed it)

maryallen

(2,172 posts)
29. Couldn't McConnell be challenged as Majority Leader?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 03:54 PM
Apr 2018

Then, a senator more amenable to our side could be elected to serve as leader.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
34. limbaugh screamed about those treasonous senators and that's why mcconnel
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:36 PM
Apr 2018

is afraid to vote on it. that's always been their big fear - getting called a traitor by limbaugh.

he spent a lot of time calling trump investigators and all the major players in the investigation guilty of crimes and the trump bunch innocent. hillary is the guilty one, and the russia thing is all a frame up.

the way to fix that is end the curse of limbaugh with total boycotts of all advertisers on rw radio and pressure on any university that braodcasts sports on rw stations - thats hundreds of schools and probably over 30% of RW radio - the loudest ones (here are 88 unis that support 260 limbaugh stations).

also by investigating whether limbaugh and hannity have been doing freelance work, maybe paid by trump, or even putin......

with talk radio in trouble those republicans won't feel half a intimidated by the base.

lindysalsagal

(20,695 posts)
35. Which is why they need to keep trying. This is the ripping of the gop, and it's overdue.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:38 PM
Apr 2018

There has to be a tipping point, even for them. This is good news.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
31. I think at least McCONnell is complicit & maybe Ryan too. Less "kept quiet"; more like "treasonous".
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 03:57 PM
Apr 2018

McCONnell blocked Obama warning state electoral commissions.

McCONnell's wife got cushy quiet cabinet post.

McCONnell get dual citizen Russian money for PACs.

lindysalsagal

(20,695 posts)
36. McTurtle took the filthy russian oligarch $$ and 45 will take him down when he goes.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:39 PM
Apr 2018

Much of the gop leadership did. That's the resistance. And it's finally cracking.

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
7. republican'ts desperately need Mueller to get TraitorTrump for criminal acts
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:34 AM
Apr 2018

republican'ts can't drive out TraitorTrump themselves.

If the republican'ts do that, they will lose the racist/dumbass vote for a generation.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
8. Grassley voted "aye"? That actually surprises me.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:35 AM
Apr 2018

Maybe Diane Feinstein took him aside and threatened to kick his saggy ass. So he did what he was told.



rurallib

(62,431 posts)
11. Kind of surprises me also. Yet I still think he is playing a cynical game
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:42 AM
Apr 2018

for us rubes back home.

Knowing it has no chance of ever becoming law - won't come to the floor in senate, won't pass House, Trump would never sign - Grassley can act like a flaming liberal here and claim he is for openness.
This from the guy who refused Garland a hearing.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
18. I'm cynical about his actions too.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:10 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe he knows he has nothing to lose by voting "aye" except maybe pissing off McConnell. OR...he and McTurtle had it "cooked-up" ahead of time. We shall see (I hope).

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
19. I think he and Turtle had it already planned, just like Garland
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:14 PM
Apr 2018

Grass has been taking some hits back home for his unquestioning support of Trump.
Now he will have this to point to, while causing no danger to anything in their dismantling of government.

S.E. TN Liberal

(508 posts)
14. I believe Grassley is one of the republican'ts who understands how desperately...
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:51 AM
Apr 2018

...the GreedyOldPerverts need Mueller to help get rid of TraitorTrump.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
17. Yeah, could be!
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:05 PM
Apr 2018

I'll never forget the look on Feinstein's and Grassley's faces when they exited the secret intelligence briefing.
"Ashen" would be a good description. Grassley had no words and stared at his shoes and Feinstein looked sick as she apologized to the press that she couldn't disclose what they were briefed on. I knew right then that they had heard some really bad shit.

FakeNoose

(32,659 posts)
26. That was when they first saw the Steele Dossier and other proof of his collusion
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:39 PM
Apr 2018

They were already convinced on THAT DAY. And here we are, a year and 1/2 later, still kicking the same shit around.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
20. Not surprised one bit.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 12:19 PM
Apr 2018

Trust any gop politician at your own peril.

He's playing his angle, not clear what it is yet, but he's all in for party before country just like the rest of them.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
25. I think he knows how bad it is,
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:25 PM
Apr 2018

And has come to the conclusion that there's no calculation where, if they fuck around with this and get caught, they survive it.
At least now he can say publicly that he did what he could. As long as he keeps doing that, he be (maybe) ok.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
12. I think that provision was dropped per dailykos
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:45 AM
Apr 2018
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/26/1760054/-Grassley-forges-ahead-with-Mueller-protection-bill-removing-language-Democrats-objected-to

The Senate Judiciary Committee will consider the Special Counsel Independence and Integrity Act on Thursday, bipartisan legislation to establish Justice Department guidelines for protecting special counsel investigations as law. Under the legislation, a special counsel could not be fired without cause and would a 10-day window to challenge a dismissal in federal court. A controversial amendment from Chairman Chuck Grassley that would have allowed Congress to micromanage investigations has been removed. That means Democratic support is likely there in committee, so now Grassley has to fight his own party and leadership.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
28. I doubt there is any chance any bill will pass either house anyway
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 01:57 PM
Apr 2018

and certainly wouldn't be signed by Trump.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
16. Anyone voting against this Bill needs some scrutiny.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:59 AM
Apr 2018

Unless they are already far past the point of needing scrutiny to see if they are a RWNJ or not. Anyone in that boat ought to be aware that their position is:

"The WH is a corrupt mess, but I don't care."

oasis

(49,393 posts)
33. Grassley's a snake. He played Obama, knowing he sought bipartisan
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 04:19 PM
Apr 2018

support for the Affordable Care Act. Grassley pretended a genuine interest in signing on, but did an about face and joined in on the GOP chant about "death panels".

red dog 1

(27,826 posts)
37. Turtle will not allow a Senate Vote, and Speaker Munster will not allow a House vote, even if it
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 05:39 PM
Apr 2018

ever gets to the House, and, of course, Shitler would never sign such a bill,
But, it does send a strong message to him.
If he does try to fire Mueller, his own party might rise up against him.

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