Damn.... There are a few Duers who believe the worst about her readily and willingly... To them, I say WAKE UP

I consider her a despicable person and clear and present danger.

You can find this place littered with similar comments.

I admit that in the past I told a number of 'jokes' in this vein, that I feel embarrassed about now. I believe that a large part of the measure of a person is not just the correctness of the actions they have taken, but how they respond to education about their incorrect actions, and whether or not their incorrect actions are a product of their upbringing.

It makes a difference whether someone is merely reproducing mistakes they have been taught by their upbringing, or by society in general, or have they sought out and cultivated these unsavory ideals. It makes a difference whether someone continues to be part of the problem after being called out, or sees the error or their ways and has a change of heart.

It seems to me that although Joy Reid may have had some thoughtless quips in the past, she has apologized for them and had been doing good work for a long time. I know who my friends are, and she's on the list. Anyone coming for her head can step the f right off. Any standard that would but her head on the chopping block, should set a lot more people in the media in line in front of her, so until the people calling for her head start calling others out, I will severely question their motives.

is... why is a black woman being trashed this badly and Bill Maher is not. He is way worse.

It's homophobic to the core.

THIS.

An excellent female journalist/media host's career is threatened because some on the right and left are dragging up 7+ YO posts. Making the point that Bill Maher and some on this very board have said similar to worse about Coulter and face no recrimination, and pointing out that Joy is with us 100% of the time is hardly making something a contest.

Like I said, miss the point. Rave on. Hell, shoot him and me too. Screw it. I'm out of this thread.

1) Maher lost his show on ABC because of some comments people found deplorable.
2) Maher is a comedian, whether you find him funny or not.
3) Maher doesn't shy away from his remarks - he is who he is. You like him or you don't.
4) Maher HAS been trashed for his comments on DU and other progressive sites over the years.
5) Maher isn't making up some crazy story about being hacked and lying about those comments.

Joy's biggest folly was not owning these comments, apologizing and saying, "I'm sure there's more in my past and I apologize for that, too. I have evolved. I have matured. I have worked with countless other people who've shown me how to better myself and I've done all I can do to become a more inclusive human being. I am deeply sorry for my comments and I can only hope my future deeds will prove how much I value diversity and inclusion..."

Had she done that, she would've been criticized, probably shamed for a few days BUT EVERYONE would have moved on.

Instead, she kept this story alive by pushing an idea she was hacked...which is just opening the gates to more proof she isn't and more instances of her stupid tweets. THAT'S on her. Not anyone else.

Link to tweet

Last time she tweeted was on the 24th...about Schoolhouse Rock

And the last time she retweeted was also on the 24th.....

So somebody is doing a fine job of trying to feed her to the wolves.

Btw I don't see that as transphobic.

If not, then I can see why you don't see the comment as transphobic.

I have friends who are each of those. Drag queens aren’t necessarily gay or trans and trans women really tend to just want to live as regular women, not drag queens. I know others have given Ann Coulter varying degrees of shit for looking “male” (I disagree) but it’s not the same.

However, who does drag? Men. So pretending Coulter is a drag queen is the same as saying she is a man dressed as a woman. That is the transphobia.

Okay. Mind you I see insensitivity in the tweet but not phobia. And not what I’d mean by transphobia.

I know what "trans" mean, I know it does not mean "cross-dresser". For that matter, drag queen also does not mean "cross dresser". The phobia comes from the use of "drag queen" as a pejorative for a cis-gender woman. It is both misogynistic and transphobic, in much the same way "mAnn Coulter" is. The implication is she is a not a real woman, but a man masquerading as a woman.

Transphobic has never meant transvestite as far as I know.

If you can't it says 96 likes and 299 people are talking about this.

as "#MAGA" or "proud deplorable", and every single reply to the tweet dated 2011 was made in the last 72 hours.

None from 2011 to 2018, except for in the last 72 hours. Well, well. Thanks for getting to the bottom of that, lapucelle.

Have you read what has been said about Coulter on this very board?

Serious question - I’m not trying to be funny.

I don’t understand why this is offensive - but my not getting it doesn’t mean it’s not. It may very well be.

Could someone enlighten me?

not transgender, not a cross-dresser.

she's an offensive person who says many offensive things and there are plenty of ways to appropriately insult her.

treating being transgender or cross-dressing as an insult and then applying it to her isn't among them.

“treating being transgender or cross-dressing as an insult and then applying it to her”

I get it now - Thanks!

Probably not. If the tweet is real.. and it's still on her feed so I assume ...it's an insult/cheap shot at DQ's.

Link to tweet

Is that acceptable?

I think Joy Reid has moved beyond that kind of bigotry. We do her (much less ourselves) no favors by pretending these kinds of statements aren't in fact transphobic.

Link to tweet

or ignore and attack. As you can see has already happened.

Blasts Right Wing Chicanery."

https://www.thewrap.com/media-matters-says-no-boycott-for-joy-reid-ad-pressure-campaigns-are-rare-for-us/

geeesh. no wonder so many of you see nothing wrong with her homophobic crap. you don't even know it when you see it.

So don't lecture me about not seeing anything wrong with homophobic crap.

What is rightfully getting the pushback here and in the dozens of other discussion on this issue is that some, who have participated in almost ALL of these discussions, are insisting that it is "her" homophobic crap, which is still not known for sure.

Until we do know for sure, I'm not accusing her, trying her, and sentencing her for something that, as one referred to yesterday, "she may or may not have said." I find it disappointing that some are doing so here on Democratic Underground.

It's right there.

Why would you do that when it's been explained?

You asked where the slur was, it was pointed out and explained , and yet you're still asking. I'm not the one playing a game.


edit: the post I'm responding to here originally said I was playing games. It was then changed.

It's ridiculous.

Yeah, it looks like Joy had some evolving to do on LGBT people's rights.

And so?

It’s been years since I’ve seen you on here! 😀

I think you hit the nail on the head. People evolve.

What’s disappointing to me is seeing the homophobia and transphobia glossed over like it’s not real or not hurtful/harmful because it was/May have been in the past. The rhetoric is just as harmful, regardless of its source and age. To just look the other way or make excuses doesn’t help diminish a real issue that’s probably more important in the long run than one celeberty being hacked or not.

I agree 100% about how hurtful it is for posters here to gloss over the hurtful words. While I have deep suspicions about the timing and source of these revelations, it is playing into our enemies' hands when we turn on one another. Many of the responses in dsc's thread are disheartening.

People, acknowledge that the words and homophobia are wrong.

..by a nefarious and calculated hacking campaign.....it would DEFINITELY be the person on a cable news channel for 2 hours in the morning....on weekends. Oh, and a column in The Daily Beast.

I mean they just can't have that kind of raw journalistic power going unchecked! I mean everyone else on TV is totally pro-Trump and Joy Reid is definitely the only voice in a wilderness of people praising Trump left and right. Clearly she needed to be stopped!

when it was does to Michelle Obama by the crazy right ( my boss is a crazy right winger & he forwarded me some of those emails).. then you should not be OK with that.. simple stuff here folks.. I don't watch Joy so I couldn't care less.. plenty of great progressives voices to be found..

Also, the hacking allegations need a THOROUGH investigation.. I guarantee you a RW nutjob will be exposed for something & this will be the new default defense.. like "fake news" has become en vogue.. we can't give them an out

In an age of information warfare that is undermining our democracy, we need to be alert to the situations that can tear us apart.

This is one of them.

I am a member of the LGBT community. I am also an American who believes in the rule of law and in civility. This situation has the feel of an organized campaign to rile up a clamoring crowd for a public lynching. Let's cool down here.

Otherwise, we may one day find ourselves shattered into warring factions and ultimately in a place where there is no freedom and support for the voices of gays, women and minorities.