community thinks about who better knows what their issues are and mean to them, they'll be seeing a choice between a rich rapper who married a white woman and men like Colin Kaelernick who risked his career and livelihood to protest the treatment of black men at the hands of the police and how he has been treated by fucking Donald trump.

with nothing in return
Their votes are being taken for granted
Kayne does not speak for black people, any more than Trump speaks for all white people

Here it is Demsrule. It is way at the bottom in the detailed summary of the report.

All that I am saying is that Connor Lamb won by 0.3%. Imagine there is a house district where we would have won if we had 90% of the African American vote, but the GOP carries 15% and we lose by 0.3% or more.

All that I am saying is that I would hate for Mccaskill or Nelson to lose or candidates like Connor Lamb to lose because we didn`t have aggressive enough outreach to convince AA`s to stick with us.

I am dreaming of a 80+ seat pick-up in November and the Cook political PVI says we can do it. To get those 80 seats, we need the base, which the African American community is such a strong constituency in, to turn out like they never turned out before. We need close to President Obama level turnout.

If I am a Democratic candidate, all I am saying, is that I damn well will be tailoring my policies so that they appeal to a large segment of what I consider and hope to be my base.

I also do not want Trumpism to make any inroads in the AA community because it would be a tragedy.

As far as Kayne, ARI`s segment got me thinking if any other AAs think like Kanye does, and it does seem like not an insubstantial minority may.

All I am saying is please the base, keep them energized, keep them motivated, keep them with you! With us!

Edit: I hope I don`t sound patronizing. All I am saying is that Cadet is keeping his base with him. That is all that he has, but at least the base isnt fleeing him. We should be aggressively promoting policies that keep our base with us too.

Yes it was extremely close, but I don't believe black votes made the difference. This district covered 4 rural counties and the southern part of Allegheny County (Pittsburgh is in Allegheny County however we didn't vote in this election.) It was the Allegheny County votes that pulled Conor Lamb into the win column. Lamb actually lost in the 4 rural counties (Washington, Greene, Fayette and Westmoreland.) So that being said - the Democrats of southern Allegheny came out for Lamb and they're what made the difference.

Yes we do have a higher concentration of black residents and voters in the city of Pittsburgh. But it's the southern suburbs - mainly white middle class/fewer blacks - that voted in the Special Election and gave the victory to Lamb.

Here's the problem: now that the PA Districts have been redrawn for the November election, those 4 rural counties that voted Republican will have another chance to elect Rick Saccone in November. Conor Lamb who won with the help of Allegheny Dems, will be running in a different district in November. (He still has a good chance to be elected in the new district.)

In the City of Pittsburgh black voters are a significant factor, along with the traditional labor unions which have become weaker over the years. Jobs, education, infrastructure and housing are probably main the touchpoints here, I don't see many people getting worked up over Kanye West.

What does the Quinnipiacs poll have to do with Kanye West or whether he has any political influence with African Americans?

I'll let Jason Johnson of the root.com explain:

Link to tweet

as November approaches. Sometimes they try to slay progressive voices. Other times they try the, "look at this poll, oh my god we're doomed, why try?" route. Same shit, different mode.

I missed it.

by us PoC (African Americans specifically) is going to put Democratic Senators like McCaskill trying to get re-elected in states such as Missouri (red state, but 2 large urban areas with higher AA numbers that pushed her over the top in the past) at huge risk of losing. They also seem to be asking if Kanye is going to a pied-piper and move that 14% up to 20 or so via his popularity and influence.

That is the best I can do in explaining, as it isn't my OP.

Which it is not.

its right in the poll

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210544433#post14



Obviously that poll has nothing to do with McCaskill, the OP said that:

Cadet has 14% approval and just 84% disapproval among AAs. Even 5% more of AAs turning to the Cadet could sink candidates like Sen. McCaskilli if she has a close race.

What i wss trying to say exactly!

Also, pointing out potential issues does not make me any less of a Democrat.

I am very worried that the forces of RW evil will double down on voter suppression, rolls purging, caging, etc to try and play all sorts of games to keep us PoC from voting or even caring, or, even worse, have/use idiots like Kanye to actually move some to the Trump column, both in 2018 and (ffs what a nightmare) in 2020 if the fucker somehow survives Mueller to run again.

I am extremely sorry that you felt mislead. I was not trying to do thst. I humbly apolgize and ask for your forgiveness. My parents always told me that i was a good writer but I guess maybe I’m not if you misread me so. That being said, I will not ever delete this post because nowhere did I ever claim that the Q poll was about Mccaskill. As Exotica said:

by us PoC (African Americans specifically) is going to put Democratic Senators like McCaskill trying to get re-elected in states such as Missouri (red state, but 2 large urban areas with higher AA numbers that pushed her over the top in the past) at huge risk of losing. They also seem to be asking if Kanye is going to a pied-piper and move that 14% up to 20 or so via his popularity and influence.

Thats my point. Nowhere did i say that the Q poll was of Missouri. I meant to imply that if Cadet really does have 14% support among AAs nationally, that is not good for key senate races like MO and FL, and any others where the AA vote may push us over the top. If its at 14% among AAs, what might it be of Hispanics nationally?

Now, i doubt Cadet is popular among Hispanics or AAs. Im just saying that we need to ensure the Hispanics and AAs remain a strong rock-solid foundation of our base. Lets nip any pro-Trump sentiment in the bud NOW among our base BEFORE its a real problem. I just dont want Kanye succesfully converting people and i want him fought.

I provided a link to the Q poll near the top of this thread in an earlier reply, by the way, almost immediately after being asked.

Edit: i wouldnt have even thought about this issue if Ari Melber, hardly a Trumpian, hadnt brought it up.

Unless there is a poll we have not found the OP represents the poll as being about the Missouri Senate race. From the OP...


"I checked Quinnipiacs most recent poll just to confirm and Kayne is a canary in the coal mine. Cadet has 14% approval and just 84% disapproval among AAs. Even 5% more of AAs turning to the Cadet could sink candidates like Sen. McCaskilli if she has a close race. 15% of the black vote could keep any number of house seats in GOP hands. "

I posted nothing false

and even the OP seems clear to me

I do not see how anyone reading it could think it is a poll about McCaskill:

Cadet has 14% approval and just 84% disapproval among AAs. Even 5% more of AAs turning to the Cadet could sink candidates like Sen. McCaskilli if she has a close race.


also I posted the poll up above


why are you dragging me into this?

Missouri senate race...maybe there is a different one...don't know. I was merely discussing it. I think the OP is misleading unless there is a poll other than the one you were kind enough to send to me. Certainly not criticizing you in anyway.

The OP then said that if the 14% AA support in that poll goes up higher, then that puts Senators like McCaskill and Nelson in Florida in danger.

There is no poll about MO or FL.

supposition...could be said about most races. I know you never said it did...but I still find the OP misleading.

Candidates LIKE where the AA vote is key.

That Kanye is in any way an indicator of black support for Trump. Kanye has made his liking Trump public a long time. He’s not really representive of them. He’s a weird guy, who often says puzzling things.

He has always been an attention seeker and I think this is his latest schtick.

Assailing Trump. That will help kill whatever Trumpism may be taking some, albeit minor, root in the AA community.

not really going after their successors. Jimmy Carter has been the hardest on Trump, and his comments were not truly "assailing" him with any sort of scorching commentary.

that multiple DU posters have requested. We would like a working link please so that we can see the poll and its methodology for ourselves. All the same, getting so wound up over one poll seems peculiar to me.

I also don’t think Kanye West has anything to do with a poll of African Americans — he does not have that kind of influence, and his wild behavior over the years has earned a significant amount of skepticism. He is a notorious attention-seeker.

Yeah, I see the post from another DU member. This poll has ZERO to do with Kanye West.

Kanye is having a manic episode
And those Q numbers are perfectly normal.

I believe that he is bipolar, as I have a close family member that is and see striking similarities. He probably doesn't like what his meds do to his "creativity", so doesn't want to take them. Bet his family wishes he took them though...

It’s the evangelical African Americans who are being fed pro twitler stuff in church funded by some right wing foundations. I saw this on a Joy show how they are getting money to preach pro twitler doctrine. Someone I know told me they push twitler in her long time church. She’s looking for a new church.

with him starting out with how there could be a backlash against the DEms. His reasoning was a total mishmash and trying to use Kanye as canary in coal mine was mind-numbing. He tries way too hard to be cool with his hip-hop references. He needs to have DL Hugely on to get his head straight. And as Kanye says he's going to run for pres in 20/20 I wonder what he'll have to say about Comrade Trump then.