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Realization: It's actually come to this. (Original Post) mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 OP
...and the porn stars lawyer is infinitely more credible than the mobster presidents mobster Leghorn21 Apr 2018 #1
+1 California_Republic Apr 2018 #24
Trump said on Fox & Friends of Cohen: poboy2 Apr 2018 #2
Chris talking about these facts now poboy2 Apr 2018 #6
It kind of bugs me to hear such continual nasty things said about people in the porn business Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #3
There is some prudishness on DU. Blue_true Apr 2018 #9
Someone posted on here about prostitutes in some European country who serviced people with Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #11
The thing about making a claim like that is that somebody somewhere will test it mythology Apr 2018 #12
Uh..no. Xolodno Apr 2018 #19
When I posted, I made it clear that legalized prostitution MUST come with regulation. Blue_true Apr 2018 #21
Correct. That will keep trafficking out of prostitution. Xolodno Apr 2018 #22
I am no expert in this area. Blue_true Apr 2018 #26
I agree our laws are f'd up. Prohibition of a vice never works. Xolodno Apr 2018 #27
I understand where you are coming from. The situation is unfortunate, but is a reality. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #28
She can't just be a woman. She has to be a lady or she's a whore WhiteTara Apr 2018 #13
I bet men porn stars are not treated with the type of disdain that women porn stars are. n/t Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #16
I am sure not. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #18
Men with big dicks are ALWAYS to be admired mnhtnbb Apr 2018 #23
Well ain't that the truth...k and r... Stuart G Apr 2018 #4
I dont think a porn star is not credible lunatica Apr 2018 #5
Yeah, I agree Victor_c3 Apr 2018 #7
That is exactly why I always comment about it when lunatica Apr 2018 #10
Pet peeve: Can we please use standard industry terminology? CaptainTruth Apr 2018 #8
You are right. I used the word "porn star" but I won't after this. Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #17
Gosh Wawannabe Apr 2018 #14
It is so apparent, that there is no shock on that score. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #15
Yep. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #20
There's no inherent lack of credibility in being a porn actor. Orsino Apr 2018 #25

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
1. ...and the porn stars lawyer is infinitely more credible than the mobster presidents mobster
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:40 PM
Apr 2018

lawyer is, dem -

Oi!!

 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
2. Trump said on Fox & Friends of Cohen:
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:46 PM
Apr 2018

“Michael would represent me, and represent me on some things. He represents me— like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal, he represented me."

Trump admits he is DD?

Also-

-Trump admits he stayed overnight in Moscow back in 2013, confirming yet another aspect of the Steele dossier.

-Trump admits he was aware of the Stormy Daniels settlement/agreement after previously saying he knew nothing about it.

Maraya1969

(22,486 posts)
3. It kind of bugs me to hear such continual nasty things said about people in the porn business
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
Apr 2018

After reading about Stormy Daniels I realize that she is a smart woman who loves her child. Why wouldn't she be credible? Her job does not mean she is a criminal or a bad person and yet people have been saying nasty things about her all over the place and I think it is unwarrented.



Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. There is some prudishness on DU.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:35 PM
Apr 2018

Let the subject be whether prostitution should be legal and see what happens. There are some that feel that any type of sex industry worker is unclean.

Interestingly, making prostition legal and regulating it likely reduced human trafficking, but to some that takes a back seat to their belief that prostitution ALWAYS degrades women.

Maraya1969

(22,486 posts)
11. Someone posted on here about prostitutes in some European country who serviced people with
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:47 PM
Apr 2018

severe disabilities. I changed my mind about them right then.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
12. The thing about making a claim like that is that somebody somewhere will test it
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:15 PM
Apr 2018

And you are wrong, legalizing prostitution in fact increased trafficking.

Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.

The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.


https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

The argument that legalizing prostitution makes it safer for women just hasn’t been borne out in countries implementing full legalization. In fact, legalization has spurred traffickers to recruit children and marginalized women to meet demand. Amsterdam, long touted as the model, recently started recognizing rates of trafficking into the country have increased and is beginning to address the enormous hub of trafficking and exploitation that it's created.


https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/legalizing-prostitution-leads-to-more-trafficking

Legalizing prostitution is a bad idea and that is proven by the data.

Xolodno

(6,396 posts)
19. Uh..no.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 11:41 PM
Apr 2018

I can yank a bunch of studies that state that it does.

And the reality is, they are both right and wrong. Where it fails, places like Brazil are brought up as an example. Where it succeeds, the Netherlands or some counties in Nevada are brought up.

Yes, they both note correlation coefficients, but you can draw a statistical correlation with the divorces in Maine and Margarine consumption.

The false premise is that legalized prostitution increases or decreases sex trafficking. The reality is, its completely unrelated. Sex trafficking is often the result of economics, culture, society, etc. In other words, legal or illegal prostitution has nothing to do with sex trafficking.

Places with hard regulation will not see much sex trafficking in the industry....but the trafficking still exists. Likewise, places with lax regulation will only exploit the legal loop holes...and as such, shows a higher level of trafficking.

https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/faq-will-legalizing-or-decriminalizing-prostitution-decrease-sex-trafficking

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. When I posted, I made it clear that legalized prostitution MUST come with regulation.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 08:35 AM
Apr 2018

The poster ignored the key condition that I set and went out and pulled information where prostitution was made legal I a Wild West type environment. It should be rather obvious that if anything is made legal without regulation, criminal elements will take advantage of lax rules, goes with Pot, liquor, prostitution, cigarettes, anything that is currently illegal or regulated.

Legalized prostitution with law enforcement and health system safeguards built in should do the following:
1. Make it possible for a trafficked person to get police help without fear of arrest.
2. Insure that sexual workers get regular health checkups as a condition for them continuing to work. Health exam access should be made inexpensive and easily accessed.
3. Allow cities to set aside designated areas and police those areas. Anyone caught elsewhere should face arrest.

Xolodno

(6,396 posts)
22. Correct. That will keep trafficking out of prostitution.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 09:59 AM
Apr 2018

However, sex trafficking will still continue. There will always be a black market for it.

My point is, legalized prostitution has no significant effect on it. Not while economics, culture, society, etc. play a huge factor.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. I am no expert in this area.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 05:40 PM
Apr 2018

But I would think anything that will allow some distinction between a person being trafficked and one working of free will will help. Now, both are treated as criminals and neither can seek help. If cops can focus heavily on pimps that enslave trafficked people while not arresting the trafficked people, that has to make a meaningful difference, IMO. But, again I don't know much more than our current laws are messed up and appear counter productive.

Xolodno

(6,396 posts)
27. I agree our laws are f'd up. Prohibition of a vice never works.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 01:57 AM
Apr 2018

But regulation still breeds those who want to skirt it. For example, why is moonshine still produced in backwoods and relativity unsafe? Yet people still buy it. Cheap swill is readily available in 1.5 liter plastic bottles on the bottom shelf of the liquor area....and yet, people, both poor and wealthy...go for the slightly more expensive backwoods, take your life in your hands swill.

Likewise, there will always be a sicko segment of the population that doesn't want legal sex under regulation. They will still want to use no protection, abuse the women, have house visits and kidnap them for awhile, don't pay, watch two prostitutes pee on each other, etc. I think you catch my drift. So sex trafficking will continue. How do you stop it? Hell if I know, but I guarantee you, there isn't a single solution, which many look for.

mnhtnbb

(31,396 posts)
23. Men with big dicks are ALWAYS to be admired
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 10:05 AM
Apr 2018

by the guys with big dick envy and for some reason they all think that's all any woman wants.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. I dont think a porn star is not credible
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 07:54 PM
Apr 2018

But certainly the President of the United States should be.

I don’t see the fact that she’s a porn star should make any difference as far as believing her. Now, if she’s been known to lie in the past then that takes away her credibility.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
7. Yeah, I agree
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:07 PM
Apr 2018

Just because you do porn doesn’t mean you aren’t a trustworthy person.

I never understood the disdain the vast majority of people have for the workers of the sex industry. It’s a service like any other and the workers are just st as much of a human being as anyone else.

So long as they are involved in the work on their own free will, treated with the same respect as everyone else, and compensated fairly for their labor, I don’t see any issue.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. That is exactly why I always comment about it when
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:41 PM
Apr 2018

A stereotype is believed. Most people are unaware of doing this which is why it’s important to question it.

In Stormy’s case I think she’s been incredibly brave. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t do it. Not against so much power! You can’t be more powerful than being the President of the US!

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
8. Pet peeve: Can we please use standard industry terminology?
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 09:20 PM
Apr 2018

The premier industry publication is AVN (Adult Video News).

The industry awards ceremony is the AVA (Adult Video Awards).

Notice a pattern? It's adult video. IMHO "porn" implies a negative value judgement that is no longer appropriate in the modern age of 2018.

Think of all the negative derogatory terms (slurs/insults) that have been used over the years for immigrants, or women, or African-Americans. Let's stop doing that. Let's be better than that.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
15. It is so apparent, that there is no shock on that score.
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 10:29 PM
Apr 2018

It's also somewhat comical, in a grim, gallows-humour kinda way. But when you stop for a moment and put it in context, especially historically, it is mindnumbing and vast.

How have we come to THIS???

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
25. There's no inherent lack of credibility in being a porn actor.
Fri Apr 27, 2018, 12:34 PM
Apr 2018

The business certainly has its problems, but blaming the actors is a bit fatuous.

I wish the inversion to which you refer was indicative of more American open-mindedness, but your point is that we have a president who pretends to be too good to associate with such people, and has no credibility himself.

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