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Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:55 AM Aug 2012

Israel's message to Panetta: U.S. can't prevent an attack on Iran

[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom: none; border-radius: 0.3846em 0.3846em 0em 0em; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"]Israel's message to Panetta: U.S. can't prevent an attack on Iran[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top: none; border-radius: 0em 0em 0.3846em 0.3846em; background-color: #f4f4f4; box-shadow: 2px 2px 6px #bfbfbf;"] U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta arrived in Israel last night for a brief visit that will focus on the American-Israeli dispute over whether to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak plan to stress that Israel reserves the right to defend itself, and to make its own decision on whether to attack.

Another major topic of discussion will be efforts to prevent Syria's chemical weapons from reaching Lebanon.

A senior government official told Haaretz that even if Jerusalem attacks Iran over Washington's objections, he doesn't think the United States will turn its back on Israel. Israel, he added, must retain sole responsibility for its security.

Panetta's visit comes against the backdrop of a rash of media reports about the possibility of an Israeli strike. In a series of interviews with Israeli television stations on Tuesday, Netanyahu said, "Iran wants to annihilate us. I won't let that happen."

Much more at the link!

Looks like Bibi might be trying to plan his own October Surprise. It's no secret he'd love to put Obama on the spot and have a lackey like Romney swoop in as the "good guy"- not to mention boost Bibi's sagging government.

Problem is, some political stunts can start fires the whole world might have trouble putting out.

PB

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woolldog

(8,791 posts)
1. I doubt it would put Obama on the spot
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:04 AM
Aug 2012

Obama would simply say that he's gone to every effort to ensure that it didn't come to this, but Iran has defied the international community bla bla bla

He will paint it as a result Iran had in its power to avoid

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
11. The USA, like other countries, has permanent interests not permanent friends. Israel has become a
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:05 AM
Aug 2012

problem for the United States and it's not serving our national interests to be the only major nation to write that regime a blank check on thier military forays and to continue to subsidize that government. I agree with your post.

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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. FYI: Haaretz has been known to edit stories in place.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:59 AM
Aug 2012

I've seen headlines change after I posted a number of times, and usually it's to tone them down.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
10. Having posted Haaretz for years I can address that one pretty easily:
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:27 AM
Aug 2012

They sometimes/frequently (honestly, it's between the two) change their article titles as they edit the story after being posted. Not only that but for at least 8 years or so, Haaretz has also titled the stories differently on their main page than the actual name of the article once you follow the link. They've done this under two different editors and I don't know of any other online papers that do it like that, offhand. It's not 100% of the time but it happens a lot.

This may sound like a hyperbole but it's a based off a real series of articles Haaretz posted years and years ago which typify this sort of thing: On the front page is a link to a story titled something like "Jerusalem mayoral candidate told 'Go climb in an oven!' by political challenger", the actual story at the link is something like "Tommy Lapid says Nazi reference preposterous" and then eight hours later the name of that article may be changed to "Jerusalem mayoral race 'heats up' with 'inflammatory rhetoric'".

Since the old I/P forum had the strictest rules of all of DU, at least tied with LBN, it was something you got used to dealing with. I don't know if you regularly read Jewish newspapers but with the English editions there's a saying which applies: "a shande far di goyim". It basically means "To disgrace one's self in front of gentiles", keeping the subtext of constant persecution of Jews by same for the last 2000 years in mind. So what that boils down to is if there's a scandalous story of any sort that comes out of Israel, the Hebrew version (which doesn't pull any punches) will usually be translated directly into English (including the title) but then later a slightly more decorous headline might be chosen when the story is updated later.

Again, oddly, I don't know of another online newspaper that so regularly has essentially 3 different titles (at least) for the exact same article.

PB

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. Yeah, after playing with the google it became apparent the wording wasn't coming from you.
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 02:58 PM
Aug 2012

I'm wondering if the headline referenced was in the print edition, too.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
13. Apparently it was- and above the fold too! (LINK)
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 03:47 PM
Aug 2012
Haaretz

BTW, I don't know if you regularly follow Middle East news but if you do, try comparing the English versions of an Israeli newspaper to their Hebrew counterpart, using Google to translate (unless you happen to speak Hebrew). Most of the news is watered down or omitted entirely for the English/American audience, and then watered down again when the M$M picks it up.

The amount of anti-Semitic insults tossed between warring Israeli religious/social/political groups, alone, is an eye opener.

PB

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
7. What should happen is this:
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:13 AM
Aug 2012

US to Israel: Yes, you can choose whether or not to attack Iran, but if you do so without our agreement do not expect us to back you up with money, troops, tactical assistance or weapons. If you choose to make these decisions on your own, prepare to take the consequences on your own.

This is what should happen. But it won't. For some reason, politicians bend over backwards to not upset Israel. Even Mitt was there praising their tax rates and their socialist medicine.... all the while telling Americans it is the epitome of evil for us to consider it here.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
9. And the U.S. response should be "Fine. You attack Iran, you're on your own".
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:01 AM
Aug 2012

...that should shut Nutty-Yahoo down pretty quick...

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