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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:19 AM Apr 2018

It is not the practice of free speech in a democracy...

...to have the leader of the country communicate one-way with the people.

Donald Trump, with his twitter account, does exactly that.

He tweets what he wants to say, factual or not, and is not open to challenge. His word is final.

That is not the way it is supposed to be in a democracy. Our leaders are supposed to be open to questions about their policies and their comments. We are not supposed to be a dictatorship.

It is an abuse of the First Amendment.

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It is not the practice of free speech in a democracy... (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2018 OP
False: so many things wrong with this zaj Apr 2018 #1
It is however, the most uncouth thing a pResident has ever done. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #3
I think you are wrong. kentuck Apr 2018 #4
The entire world can respond to his tweet. zaj Apr 2018 #6
It's not an infringement of the First Amendment if the POTUS doesn't take questions. Girard442 Apr 2018 #2
We disagree. kentuck Apr 2018 #5
It would help to better understand what the 1st amendment does zaj Apr 2018 #7
Help us understand. kentuck Apr 2018 #8
Here zaj Apr 2018 #9
But is he "abridging the freedom of speech"... kentuck Apr 2018 #11
I don't think anything you are saying is true zaj Apr 2018 #12
He does block people on Twitter. kentuck Apr 2018 #13
You want good things. And things to be better than they are... zaj Apr 2018 #14
Amendment I . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Apr 2018 #10
 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
1. False: so many things wrong with this
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:25 AM
Apr 2018

This is not remotely accurate.

Nothing about the 1st amendment protects equal attention.
Nothing about it protects parity of time.
Nothing trumps tweets do stop me from responding.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
3. It is however, the most uncouth thing a pResident has ever done.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:27 AM
Apr 2018

Notice I didn't say most evil, but like everything else with this administration, it is CLASSLESS.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
4. I think you are wrong.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:28 AM
Apr 2018

You are not the AP and your response, while maybe noteworthy, does not have the influence of our national media or a major newspaper.

What do you mean by"equal attention" and protecting "parity of time"?

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
6. The entire world can respond to his tweet.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:37 AM
Apr 2018

The AP, every national reporter, every politician, celebrity, and past president can shred his every tweet publicly for everyone to see.

Twitter might not force my tweet response to gain as much attention (that would be parity), a Barack Obama response would likely get as much or more.

There is nothing about Twitter or trump using it that is unconstitutional.

Girard442

(6,085 posts)
2. It's not an infringement of the First Amendment if the POTUS doesn't take questions.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:26 AM
Apr 2018

In a better world, a free press would loudly call attention to his shabby treatment of his constituents.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
9. Here
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:47 AM
Apr 2018

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



Congress shall make no law....

Trump using Twitter in any way he might choose will never violate the first most important words of the 1st amendment.

Because he isn't Congress, and tweets don't make law.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. But is he "abridging the freedom of speech"...
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:52 AM
Apr 2018

by prohibiting open discussion and honest examination of his tweets? Also, some might argue that he is abridging the freedom of the press in their ability to inform the public, by only giving his supporters his viewpoints.

Tweets can make law by executive order.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
12. I don't think anything you are saying is true
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:01 AM
Apr 2018

Executive orders are policy directions made to implement a law made by congress, they are not themselves law.

Every time trump tweets, the media and the entire world has a chance to respond. It's more transparent and open than him saying and acting in private.

When trump tweets, anyone can read it. Not just his supporters. Anyone who "follows" him will get a notice about his post, but anyone is able to read it.

He doesn't abridge the freedom of speech by speaking. He could do so by stopping others from speaking.

The way that he might actually violate that 1st amendment would be if he used Twitter's block a person feature on the official @potus account to block a citizen from replying or tweeting at him some grievance.

The act of blocking that person from tweeting at @potus might violate the airing of grievances clause.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. He does block people on Twitter.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:08 AM
Apr 2018

He does not want opposing viewpoints and does his best to prevent them.

By your assumptions, Russia would have "free speech".

I guess we just disagree.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
14. You want good things. And things to be better than they are...
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:14 AM
Apr 2018

We agree entirely that trumps use of Twitter is damaging but it's not at all a violation of the constitution, as I have explained.

You and I might not be happy with trump, but we cant be ignorant t of the facts or reality because we feel bad about it. We need clear understanding of facts so we can spend our energy defeating this dangerous man and his outrageous views and messaging.

10. Amendment I . . .
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

. . . prescribes a limitation on governmental action so as to "secure" -- to employ the word used in the Declaration of Independence -- a preexisting right held by the people (e.g., freedom of speech). Since Trump's failure to take comment on his Twitter account, or to respond to those comments, does not in any way infringe on or abridge a person's freedom to comment itself, there is no First Amendment issue.

That's pretty much the long and the short of it, as far as I'm concerned.

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