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My young Iowa Democrat friend just got featured in a huge NYT Magazine article! (Original Post) DFW May 2018 OP
Well worth reading the entire article. Thanks for posting. NBachers May 2018 #1
Quite a tale, isn't it? DFW May 2018 #2
"Democrat" is a noun; the adjective is "democratic." Sophia4 May 2018 #3
My use was conscious and intended as a noun. DFW May 2018 #4
:) Nor do you write in obfuscatese. Hortensis May 2018 #9
Noun strings, or groups of nouns used as a single noun, are common in English. MineralMan May 2018 #16
I would say government's agency or governmental agency. Sophia4 May 2018 #17
Like picnic table? Birthday card? Dinner date? Cow patty? Storm front? Work ticket? Wire transfer? tblue37 May 2018 #18
All of those are colloquial expressions. Sophia4 May 2018 #19
Good examples. MineralMan May 2018 #22
And that would be OK, too. MineralMan May 2018 #20
But as the Daily Kos article points out, the use of Democrat as an adjective is Sophia4 May 2018 #21
What a satifying ending.. I love mysteries. Cha May 2018 #5
I just met Rob last December DFW May 2018 #7
Yeah, the real deal should be Cha May 2018 #8
He wasted NO time in telling me when it was going to be published DFW May 2018 #10
It's fantastic! Has everything! Cha May 2018 #12
It is too much white collar stuff for a film DFW May 2018 #14
It's an intriguing mystery and Cha May 2018 #15
There's a donation button at your link. I donated - Let's help Rob Sand! NBachers May 2018 #11
Right.. Mahalo, NBachers.. Cha May 2018 #13
KnR! Hekate May 2018 #6

DFW

(54,408 posts)
2. Quite a tale, isn't it?
Fri May 4, 2018, 02:07 AM
May 2018

It makes one think how many of these schemes go undiscovered? How many Republican campaigns are financed with schemes like this, and no one notices? I think it is no coincidence that the Republicans in Iowa are pouring a huge amount of money to defeat Rob in this election, which does not exactly raise huge blips on the national radar. But the State Auditor of Iowa is in a position to uncover huge amounts of corruption due to the massive amount of agricultural funds that flow in and out of there. The Republican incumbent has uncovered remarkably little corruption, and considering who the bad guys are in this case, I'm sure a million dollars is pocket change to the ones that want to keep it that way. This is the first time I have given a contribution, much less a substantial one, to a candidate for State Auditor--a position which many states don't even have.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
4. My use was conscious and intended as a noun.
Fri May 4, 2018, 02:45 AM
May 2018

Rob is a Democrat. "My Democrat friend" as in "my lawyer friend" or "my candidate friend (which he is)." That was intentional. I speak nine languages, and English is one of them. I do not write in Republicanese unless to make a point to those who do so unintentionally.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. :) Nor do you write in obfuscatese.
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:51 AM
May 2018

Good luck to your "Democrat friend" Rob Sand and to Iowa. He sounds like a good one.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
16. Noun strings, or groups of nouns used as a single noun, are common in English.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:44 AM
May 2018

"My Democrat friend" is the same as "My friend who is a Democrat." It's not an error in grammar. It's merely a different way of saying the same thing.

While some use "Democrat" as an adjective in a negative way, this is not such a case.

Example: "U.S. government agency"

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. I would say government's agency or governmental agency.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

Democrat is a noun. It really is poor English to use nouns as if they were adjectives.

You could use a hyphen. But Democratic or democratic is the correct form of the adjective for a Democrat.

The Daily Kos explains that using Democrat as an adjective is the sign of a Republican point of view.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2006/8/3/233098/-

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
18. Like picnic table? Birthday card? Dinner date? Cow patty? Storm front? Work ticket? Wire transfer?
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:15 PM
May 2018

Loss leader. Fire sale? Day trip? Train tunnel? Airplane ticket? Letter box? Text box? Pepper mill? Salt shaker? Tornado siren? Tornado warning? Tornado Alley? Hurricane relief? Disaster relief? Charity case?

Nouns of attribution are a common in English and not inherently ungrammatical.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
19. All of those are colloquial expressions.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:27 PM
May 2018

They don't conform to grammatical rules.

The Daily Kos article explains the reason that we don't use "Democrat" as an adjective and explains it very well.

There is no adjective for picnic other than picnic. That applies to all of the terms in the colloquial expressions you cite. There is an adjective for Democrat. It's Democratic. And Democratic is the proper word to use as an adjective modifying Party.

We don't say firey sale or daily trip or trainy trunnel or airplanic ticket or lettery box or textual box or peppery mill or salty shaker or tornadoish sirn or tornadoy warning or tornadic alley or hurricanic relief or disasterish relief. We could say charitable case but it would have a definitely different meaning from "charity case." A charitable case might refer to a situation in which charity had been or would be given to a third party. A "charity case" refers most often to the person who needs the charity.

There is no reason to use Democrat as an adjective other than to refer to Democrats in a condescending manner. We Democrats get to determine the language that is used to refer to us and our ideas and all associated with us.

We have the word "Democratic," that adjective for a reason.

It is insulting for people to use "Democrat" as an adjective.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
21. But as the Daily Kos article points out, the use of Democrat as an adjective is
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:36 AM
May 2018

a specifically right-wing pejorative use.

It is not appropriate on a Democratic website. It is, in our day, Gingrich through and through.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
5. What a satifying ending.. I love mysteries.
Fri May 4, 2018, 03:48 AM
May 2018

And, this true crime story was so well written.

For someone so smart in so many ways.. Eddie Tipton wasn't that smart where it really counted. Knowing it was against the Iowa Lottery rules for anyone to pick up the lottery winnings but the one who purchased it.. and knowing you were on video with your very distinctive voice.. come on!

I spent my 10th summer in Iowa on my grandparents' farm, so I always have soft spot for Iowa.

Mahalo, DFW.. Best of Luck to "liberated" Rob Sand in his election for state auditor.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
7. I just met Rob last December
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:03 AM
May 2018

He is EXACTLY what we need in the Midwest. Honest, decent, a true Democrat and VERY local. His home town has 8000 people, even smaller than my town when I was a kid (10,000). He knows his stuff and he knows his people. Grew up among them, looks like them, speaks their language, knows what they like, and knows what they fear. The Republicans are showering his incumbent opponent in money, and he's still holding his own. A guy like Rob must be terrifying to Republicans. Just what we need right about now!

Cha

(297,323 posts)
8. Yeah, the real deal should be
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:21 AM
May 2018

terrifying to repubs. A really intelligent human being with an excellent resume.

Truth Integrity and Accountability And, that's not Orwellian speak..

I saw that pic the other day on here.. I think RSF posted it.





https://robsand.com/

Wow! He's good! I like his voice.

The NYT article has to help.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
10. He wasted NO time in telling me when it was going to be published
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:31 AM
May 2018

I promised him I'd spread the word. It's a great story, and he deserves the recognition.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
14. It is too much white collar stuff for a film
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:36 AM
May 2018

Although..... with the right music, maybe?

It certainly READS like a John Grisham story, anyway.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
15. It's an intriguing mystery and
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:43 AM
May 2018

the behind the scenes workings of the lottery are fascinating.

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