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You must read this. I can't explain but it is explosive. (Original Post) boston bean May 2018 OP
Trump deals in kompromat! Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #1
Two women-to Gleason - 2013 - to a journalist - to T rump - asiliveandbreathe May 2018 #2
Thanks for posting BB. I smelled a bunch of rats the minute I read the story. shraby May 2018 #3
Woah mercuryblues May 2018 #4
The lawyer didn't hold on to it, he let cohen and trump know. Trump held on to it shraby May 2018 #6
Ah. mercuryblues May 2018 #18
I noticed an interview with Spitzer that appeared to take place outside the Sophia4 May 2018 #24
That explains a lot! True Blue American May 2018 #40
Very, very strange. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #5
Gleason sure tossed lawyer/client privilege out the train window and should be called on it. shraby May 2018 #7
He must have disclosed the names of the clients The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #8
I believe the "journalist" is/was a sleazy tabloid reporter. boston bean May 2018 #12
worse mercuryblues May 2018 #20
That's how I see it too. Corgigal May 2018 #14
Maybe, or maybe they don't even exist ... or were honeypots ... who really knows with this gang?nt mr_lebowski May 2018 #21
2013 Schneiderman sued Trump for fraud for Trump U. deminks May 2018 #9
So did Trump/Cohen pay this lawyer or his clients The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #11
I had many of the same questions. How could telling Trump help these women? Shrike47 May 2018 #10
Gleason was repping a high end NY madam at the time. octoberlib May 2018 #28
eyes wide shut type shit mikeysnot May 2018 #38
Was Tump openly paying lawyers for dirt? askyagerz May 2018 #29
Probably not openly, but possibly through Cohen. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #33
After spending valuable gardening time glued to Twitter-- Lulu KC May 2018 #32
Schneiderman has been after Trump corruption for a number of years, almost as soon as Eric took Blue_true May 2018 #43
Wowzer! Clarity2 May 2018 #13
I don't think that's it; after all, Schneiderman sued Trump "University" The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #15
Trump university Clarity2 May 2018 #16
Oh I see what youre Clarity2 May 2018 #17
Lawyers are not authorities. I don't see how you can say these aren't 2 of the 4 in the article ... mr_lebowski May 2018 #22
The reporter who did the New Yorker story said so. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #27
Insane Johnny2X2X May 2018 #19
Based on all these commentaries, lawyers are running the country with clients and fronts. erronis May 2018 #26
Did this lawyer safeguard the attorney-client privilege? Sophia4 May 2018 #23
Obligatory IANAL: But does this hold true when the client-lawyer communications erronis May 2018 #30
A finding that the acts were illegal destroys (so to speak) the privilege. Sophia4 May 2018 #36
Yes. So he's admitting that he violated it? Lulu KC May 2018 #34
Michael Avenatti chimes in octoberlib May 2018 #25
connect the dots.. getagrip_already May 2018 #31
Oh, man another dimension n/t Lulu KC May 2018 #35
My best attempt to make sense of it karynnj May 2018 #37
The women were probably referred to Gleason The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #39
Wow! karynnj May 2018 #42
The mud in NY is unimaginably deep. Duppers May 2018 #41

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
2. Two women-to Gleason - 2013 - to a journalist - to T rump -
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:28 PM
May 2018

Gleason hears from Cohen - what am I missing? - extortion? - women advised not to go to Manhattan DA office..then what were they advised to do? - OMG....

shraby

(21,946 posts)
3. Thanks for posting BB. I smelled a bunch of rats the minute I read the story.
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

made a post of my own about it.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
6. The lawyer didn't hold on to it, he let cohen and trump know. Trump held on to it
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:34 PM
May 2018

to use if he ever needed it, and it appears after cohen got into the quicksand with trump's info, trump put it to use.

mercuryblues

(14,543 posts)
18. Ah.
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:39 PM
May 2018

I had understood it as he recently went to trump with this info. Thanks for clarifying that for me. It fits in better with everything else is mentioning in this thread.

He offered it up as info to trump. trump then used this to blackmail Schneinderman. throughout the years. then once Scheinderman decided not to play any more, trump&co leaked it to the press.

Yup,trump knew way back then


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


Weiner is gone, Spitzer is gone - next will be lightweight A.G. Eric Schneiderman. Is he a crook? Wait and see, worse than Spitzer or Weiner
7:10 AM - Sep 11, 2013

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Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
24. I noticed an interview with Spitzer that appeared to take place outside the
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018

courthouse on the day that the hearing about Cohen's case took place.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/governor-spitzer-at-court-before-michael-cohen-hearing-news-footage/947549778

He said he "was just having lunch." Quite a coincidence that he was just having lunch right near the courthouse on the day of the Cohen hearing in my view. But maybe I am completely wrong about this.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
5. Very, very strange.
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:33 PM
May 2018

Why would this lawyer, Peter Gleason, tell a retired journalist about these allegations, who in turn said he would, and apparently did, go to Trump with this information? He now seems to be trying to protect the identities of his clients (I assume the two that are remaining anonymous), but what reason would he have had in the first place to go to the journalist and Trump (via Cohen)? He claims the Manhattan DA's office was corrupt and wouldn't have protected the women, but what did he think Trump would have done about it?

This is very odd and very fishy.

No doubt Trump intended to use this information against Schneiderman at some point, but what was going on in 2013?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. Gleason sure tossed lawyer/client privilege out the train window and should be called on it.
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:36 PM
May 2018

Hey NY bar association!!!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
8. He must have disclosed the names of the clients
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:41 PM
May 2018

to the journalist/Trump/Cohen, or else he wouldn't be so concerned about what's in Cohen's files. I think he must be trying to protect his own ass for violating attorney-client confidentiality, and not so much his clients' identities. This has a very bad odor.

mercuryblues

(14,543 posts)
20. worse
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:58 PM
May 2018

He wrote a series of articles for the New York Post about Wayne Dumond. Dumond, as you may remember raped B. Clinton's cousin and was serving life +20 years. Huckabee was instrumental in getting him released from prison. Within a year Dumond raped and murdered 2 women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
21. Maybe, or maybe they don't even exist ... or were honeypots ... who really knows with this gang?nt
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:20 PM
May 2018

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
11. So did Trump/Cohen pay this lawyer or his clients
Fri May 11, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

for this dirt on Schneiderman? Wouldn't surprise me. Maybe there's info in Cohen's financial records showing such a payment.

I think Peter Gleason has opened a yuuge can of worms and that he could be in a bit of trouble with the NY Bar, at least.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
28. Gleason was repping a high end NY madam at the time.
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:39 PM
May 2018



But then again, nothing about the lawyer's involvement in the case of Scottish-born Anna Gristina – the alleged mastermind of a high-end Manhattan prostitution ring – has been conventional.

Even before opting to put up his well-heeled apartment for her bail, the 48-year-old played an intriguing role in Gristina's tale – part lawyer, part crusader and, he has said, part saviour.

Incarcerated in New York's notorious Rikers Island prison after her arrest last month, Gristina's life was in danger after a story got round that she employed underage girls, Gleason said.

But prosecutors insist that the 44-year-old woman from Kirkliston near Edinburgh, whom they accuse of amassing a $15m fortune arranging trysts for wealthy clients and high-end call girls at an Upper East Side apartment, is a "significant" flight risk.



Gleason disagrees. So much so that he is in the process of filing the paperwork necessary to put up his own home as collateral against the bail figure.





https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/22/peter-gleason-new-york-apartment


Past call girls and sources close to the illicit business are now coming out of the woodwork to provide further details of the 'empire' Gristina has been able to run for the last 15 years.

A source told the Post she employed Penthouse and Playboy models to service millionaire and billionaire clients including hedge funders, CEOs and real-estate moguls.

High-class escort Irma Nici - who famously claimed to have slept with David Beckham and Eliot Spitzer - told the Post she worked for Gristina for six months in 2002 and confirmed she had well-placed law-enforcement sources tipping her off about undercover stings and investigations.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111517/Anna-Gristina-Manhattan-madam-poses-naked-husband-Kelvin-Gorr.html#ixzz5FDnmOw00




Perhaps both Trump and Schneiderman were clients. It might be nothing but it's interesting.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
38. eyes wide shut type shit
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:14 PM
May 2018

The time line also runs with trump in russia for the pageant, him copyrighting MAGA and the beginning of trump considering running for resident.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
33. Probably not openly, but possibly through Cohen.
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:48 PM
May 2018

I am wondering:

1. Where did these two unnamed clients get Gleason's name? He represented a NY madam; is that how they heard of him?

2. Why did Gleason contact the retired journalist? Was it so he wouldn't leave tracks to Cohen/Trump?

3. Why did he tell his clients not to contact law enforcement? Was it because they were prostitutes and he wanted to protect their "employer"? If so, was that employer the Trump Modeling Agency?

4. Did Trump, through Cohen, pay off these women to keep them quiet about their association with that agency? Did Gleason also get paid by Trump/Cohen?

5. Trump now has kompromat on Schneiderman, so why didn't he use it when Schneiderman sued Trump University? Was it to keep the activities of the modeling agency from becoming public? Was he saving it for a better blackmail opportunity?

So many questions...

Lulu KC

(2,574 posts)
32. After spending valuable gardening time glued to Twitter--
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:46 PM
May 2018

I learned that in 2013 Trump was thinking of running for NY governor. So he said (or maybe Cohen said on his behalf) that if he were elected he'd be able to take care of Schneiderman. Way too much info for me to keep straight in this one, but that was the essence of it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
43. Schneiderman has been after Trump corruption for a number of years, almost as soon as Eric took
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:21 PM
May 2018

office. BTW, those worried about how Eric will live with no job opportunities, the guy's net worth is around $70 million.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
13. Wowzer!
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:14 PM
May 2018

In light of this, this is my theory:

Trump thought he had Schneiderman in his pocket. Maybe he did all these years and up until his ouster. Sure he went after trump for some stuff, but the mobster/russian money laundering...nope.

NY officials knew Schneiderman was compromised/blackmailable or found out. Perhaps they found out from the cohen raid?

The powers that be encouraged the four woman to come forward due to the fact that NYAG would be at bat to prosecute trump et al.

The Gleason letter is just an anomaly and these two women are separate.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
15. I don't think that's it; after all, Schneiderman sued Trump "University"
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:22 PM
May 2018

and won. Also, Gleason's clients are not the same as any of the four women in the New Yorker article, who hadn't gone to authorities at all.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
16. Trump university
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:27 PM
May 2018

He paid less as a result of the suit than he earned from the university.

Im saying the two women who went to Gleason - its just an incidental finding in all this. But the four women who came forward may have done so after being encouraged to judt come out with it so Schneiderman could be released (without it all being questioned as weird or a coverup).

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
17. Oh I see what youre
Fri May 11, 2018, 01:33 PM
May 2018

Saying re the 2 women: cohen would have info on them. And not the 4 women.
Still, the fact remains that trump had leverage over schneiderman for the two womens stories.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. Lawyers are not authorities. I don't see how you can say these aren't 2 of the 4 in the article ...
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:23 PM
May 2018

Who specifically did not want to be identified.

Please enlighten me ...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
27. The reporter who did the New Yorker story said so.
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/05/11/trump-told-ny-attorney-generals-alleged-sexual-violence-2013/602054002/

On Twitter, Jane Mayer, The New Yorker staffer who co-authored the story detailing the allegations against Schneiderman, said the two women described by Gleason were not the sources for their piece.

"Not one source for our story on Schneiderman has any ties to Trump or Michael Cohen," Mayer said.

erronis

(15,355 posts)
26. Based on all these commentaries, lawyers are running the country with clients and fronts.
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

I won't equate lawyers to criminals, but there seem to be a lot of them congregating in the same places. Not just in arguments before courts, but in bars, and around open wounds.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
23. Did this lawyer safeguard the attorney-client privilege?
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:29 PM
May 2018

Lawyers may not reveal oral or written communications with clients that clients reasonably expect to remain private. A lawyer who has received a client’s confidences cannot repeat them to anyone outside the legal team without the client’s consent. In that sense, the privilege is the client’s, not the lawyer’s—the client can decide to forfeit (or waive) the privilege, but the lawyer cannot.

The privilege generally stays in effect even after the attorney-client relationship ends, and even after the client dies. In other words, the lawyer can never divulge the client’s secrets without the client’s permission, unless some kind of exception (see below) applies. (United States v. White, 970 F.2d 328 (7th Cir. 1992); Swidler & Berlin v. United States, 524 U.S. 399 (1998).)
Comparison: The Duty of Confidentiality

The attorney-client privilege is, strictly speaking, a rule of evidence. It prevents lawyers from testifying about, and from being forced to testify about, their clients’ statements. Independent of that privilege, lawyers also owe their clients a duty of confidentiality. The duty of confidentiality prevents lawyers from even informally discussing information related to their clients’ cases with others. They must keep private almost all information related to representation of the client, even if that information didn’t come from the client.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/attorney-client-privilege.html

Was Cohen part of the legal team?

Was the journalist?

The attorney client privilege belongs to the client, not the attorney, by the way.

erronis

(15,355 posts)
30. Obligatory IANAL: But does this hold true when the client-lawyer communications
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:43 PM
May 2018

have been found to be illegal through some other investigation?

I think I know that communications to perform illegal acts are not covered under this privilege.

But given the well-cloaked communications through many layers of LLCs/LLPs/etc. and the difficulty of actually capturing illegal intent, would a conviction showing criminality between the parties void this privilege? Could all intermediaries be forced to review their pertinent information?

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
36. A finding that the acts were illegal destroys (so to speak) the privilege.
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:55 PM
May 2018

But that still does not explain why someone would share the clients' secrets with Trump or the journalist.

And now he admits having told Cohen so the news would get to Trump.

There is a lot more to this story than we are reading (in my opinion).

Lulu KC

(2,574 posts)
34. Yes. So he's admitting that he violated it?
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:51 PM
May 2018

Really confusing.
Just read NY Times article on this. Gleason is a Democrat. What was he doing finding a way to Trump, unless DT was not yet a Republican. (Back when he said they were stupid.) Must research.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
25. Michael Avenatti chimes in
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018





Let this serve as formal notice - there is significantly more evidence and facts to come relating to Mr. Cohen's dealings and Mr. Trump's knowledge and involvement. You can come clean now or wait to be outed. Your choice. We have only just begun...#Basta

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
31. connect the dots..
Fri May 11, 2018, 02:44 PM
May 2018

this was pointed out in a parallel thread...

The lawyer represented call girls and organizations that employed them

Trump owned a modeling agency reportedly fronting as an excort agency

So the girls were escorts, went to their agency lawyer, who went to a "journalist" who went to trump.

Seems like it's at least possible these were trumps girls.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
37. My best attempt to make sense of it
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:03 PM
May 2018

2012 -- Sneiderman was going after Trump University

2013 - Gleason, a lawyer, was contacted by two women, who he told NOT to call a prosecutor. Gleason passed the information to a "journalist" from Page 6 of the New York Post (essentially a gossip columnist). The NYP page 6 guy told all this to Cohen, who told Trump

Note that Schneiderman did NOT back down and actually got a judgment against Trump University shortly after the election.

So, why is this coming out now?

Fear that the NY AG might be compromised and would have reasons not to be the back up if Mueller's effort were stopped? (NY magazine and the author have solid liberal credentials.)
Fear on the part of the women that their stories could come out through others and they would have no control due to the raid on Cohen's office.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
39. The women were probably referred to Gleason
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:22 PM
May 2018

by the madam he was representing. The question now is whether those women were prostitutes working for the Trump Modeling Agency, which has been under scrutiny for prostitution before. I think what Gleason is trying to cover up is that association, and the likelihood that the women were paid by Trump/Cohen in exchange for their agreement not to contact law enforcement. Trump also gets some kompromat material to use against Schneiderman. Maybe he didn't see the need to use it in the Trump University case but was saving it for better use later on, at a point where he could brush the modeling agency/brothel issues under the rug. If the New Yorker story hadn't come out when it did, would he have used the information when/if Schneiderman sought indictments under NY law against him or his minions?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
42. Wow!
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:12 PM
May 2018

But its kind of a double bind, because exposing Sneiderman is likely to expose Trump.

However, for reasons I completely don't understand, the Trump base - including the evangelicals had no problem even with the dozen or so allegations against him abusing women, his words bragging about his actions, and even his words that he could walk in on teenage pageant condenders when they were undressed. If this were all verified and came out in a believable way, would that be the final straw ... or just another Trump transgression they look past because "they are winning".

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