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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou want a revolution?
It will not start by burning it down. It will only start with the base and building it up. A hands up. A shoulder that boosts each other up and not punching them in the face when you get a step ahead or turning your back on them to get there first. It is all or none.
This is why I do not understand people like Nina Turner, once a Democrat. This is not a revolution of the people that she is building,it is my way or the highway. Funny. She now advocates everything she says she abhors.
From a 2017 interview. Please note 2017
How will Our Revolution relate to the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, that kind of establishment that so many activists and politicians, including you, have frequently criticized? Her response was I dont think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. Its their job to fit in with us.
It may behoove Ms. Turner to take a few moments on this July 4th to reread our constitution and realize to make progress on her goals may require some compromise. That is how the founding fathers set up our government. It doesnt mean compromising your principles, it does mean working steadily toward your goals. Winston Churchill is credited with saying Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
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Meyerson went on to ask And how will Our Revolution relate to progressives within government who didnt back Bernie, like Sherrod Brown and Tammy Baldwin, if they go on to seek reelection? Her response is an indication of what is clearly self-destructive about both Nina Turner and Our Revolution. She said about those two successful and respected progressives If they want Our Revolutions endorsement they will seek it like everybody else and so they gotta start with the local affiliates, and if the local affiliates say that this is the person that we want to back, then there it is. There it is.
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So Our Revolution isnt about supporting progressives or helping people learn how the system works so they can move forward progressive change. Rather it is about catering to groups of local activists, often self-indulgent, to the point of taking action that actually hurts the causes they believe in. To bring about change one has to understand the system; understanding how Congress works. Like it or not when it comes to Congress there are only two parties, Democrat and Republican. If you dont work to support one of them you are helping the other. We saw that in the last Presidential election and we saw it in 2000 when we ended up with George W. Bush.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nina-turner-our-revolution-president-from-democrat_us_595a4413e4b0c85b96c66373
Nina also said she will support the Green Party and the GOP
If there is a Republican or a Libertarian or Green Party person that believes in Medicare for all, then thats our kind of person.
https://www.thenation.com/article/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/
No said progressive supports the Green Party or the effing GOP. Sad how far she has fallen.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)He doesn't seem too interested in addressing the negativity.
In fact just like his panel appearance on MLK Day, which was arranged by OR, as well as a few other recent appearances, he seems quite OK with what OR represents & how they benefit him personally.
On Jane Sanders' "The Sanders Institute", sits as distinguished fellows, Nina Turner, Ben Jealous, & Robert Reich to name a few.
Without a doubt, This Is Who Bernie Sanders Is.
Our Revolution Is Who Supports & Funds His eternal campaign.
Our Revolution IS Bernie Sanders.
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"So Our Revolution isnt about supporting progressives or helping people learn how the system works so they can move forward progressive change. Rather it is about catering to groups of local activists, often self-indulgent, to the point of taking action that actually hurts the causes they believe in"
Thanks for your OP.
When was the last time OR ever fully got behind & endorsed a Democrat?
Tells us all we need to know.
OR is a long long way from "Progressive"
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)I never wanted to be revolting.
Docreed2003
(16,859 posts)To quote Mr Lennon
You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Exactly, Docreed.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Unfortunately, many are unwittingly playing into her hands.