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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Wed May 23, 2018, 06:38 PM May 2018

Police official accidentally debunks Trump's MS-13 rant with a single stat

Still a lying sack of shit.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ms-13-hysteria-exposed-long-island-8a6f5fe7989e/

Police official accidentally debunks Trump’s MS-13 rant with a single stat
The president would have you believe Long Island is a war zone. It isn't.
Aaron Rupar
May 23, 2018, 4:17 pm


President Trump held a roundtable discussion about MS-13 in Suffolk County, New York on Wednesday in which he used super-heated rhetoric to emphasize the threat that gang members — and by extension, undocumented immigrants — purportedly pose.

At one point, Trump claimed that people who live on Long Island “can’t walk outside” because “you have gang members that are so rough” that people are afraid to leave their homes.

“It’s almost like a war where you’re getting rid of somebody that is occupying your nation,” Trump said. “And for me to go through and be in this position, and see towns that I’ve known all my life — I grew here here, I know every one of the towns — and it’s unthinkable that it’s almost like an occupied territory where your children are afraid to go out, and in many cases if they go out, bad things happen.”

Watch @ link:

But roughly 45 minutes in to Wednesday’s roundtable event, the hyperbole of Trump’s fear-mongering was accidentally exposed by Suffolk County police commissioner Geraldine Hart, who noted that there hasn’t been an MS-13-linked homicide in Suffolk County in more than a year.

“Since September of 2016, the department’s multi-faceted approach has resulted in 355 arrests of 235 MS-13 gang members,” she said. “There has not been an MS-13 murder in Suffolk County since April of 2017.”


Trump didn’t directly respond to Hart’s statistic, but instead described individual crimes committed by alleged MS-13 members in grisly detail.

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While Trump would have you believe Long Island is a battle zone, crime statistics don’t back him up. According to the Washington Post, “there were 37 homicides in all of Nassau and Suffolk counties in 2017 — the entirety of Long Island east of New York City. That total was down from 59 the year before. The counties are home to 2.8 million people.”
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Police official accidentally debunks Trump's MS-13 rant with a single stat (Original Post) babylonsister May 2018 OP
grrrrrrrr Leghorn21 May 2018 #1
VERY GOOD! ProudLib72 May 2018 #2
Yeah, I thought so too when I stole it off twitter yesterday, 72! Leghorn21 May 2018 #3
Occupied territory? Kirk Lover May 2018 #4
Fascist scapegoating and selective populism... Thomas Hurt May 2018 #5
just like reagan's 'welfare queen', who was a master criminal. pansypoo53219 May 2018 #6
Well if MS-13 crime is down.... SergeStorms May 2018 #7
No, it's because people are cowering inside. Jim Lane May 2018 #8
Some people say.... SergeStorms May 2018 #9

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
5. Fascist scapegoating and selective populism...
Wed May 23, 2018, 07:28 PM
May 2018
5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks for consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.


13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view—one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.

Because of its qualitative populism Ur-Fascism must be against “rotten” parliamentary governments. One of the first sentences uttered by Mussolini in the Italian parliament was “I could have transformed this deaf and gloomy place into a bivouac for my maniples”—“maniples” being a subdivision of the traditional Roman legion. As a matter of fact, he immediately found better housing for his maniples, but a little later he liquidated the parliament. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.


Umberto Eco - Ur Fascism 1995

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
7. Well if MS-13 crime is down....
Wed May 23, 2018, 09:25 PM
May 2018

it's only because of Donald Trump's "get tough" attitude.

You know that meme is coming down the pike sooner or later. Trump always wants things both ways at the same time.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
8. No, it's because people are cowering inside.
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:42 AM
May 2018

No one on Long Island ever leaves their homes after dark. Well, no one except the gang members, that is. They have total control of the streets throughout both counties. They roam around looking for murder victims, but they're thwarted, because everyone is inside behind locked doors.

As sunset approaches each day, you see people scurrying around the supermarkets, stocking up. They know they can't go shopping or go to a restaurant or order a pizza, so they have to make sure they have enough food to last to the next morning.

I don't blame you for not knowing this. The MSM are hushing it up. They won't report anything that would prove Trump right.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
9. Some people say....
Thu May 24, 2018, 02:07 AM
May 2018

that MS-13 gang members are so hungry for murder that they've taken to killing each other, just to stay in practice. That's what some people say, honest!

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