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by TheNewDeal00
I love the new, tough guy Harry Reid of late. I hope to see more of him and hope he is still majority leader after the elections.
But this post is about a brilliant tactical move by Reid. It might not seem that way right now, but if you step outside of the situation and look in, it's brilliant.
Mitt Romney refuses to release his tax returns.
By doing so he is showing that he has something to hide, which causes people to speculate. The evil you don't know is always worse than the evil you know and our curiosity and imagination is usually more fabricated than the actual thing itself.
It is obvious that for some reason Romney would rather get the bad press and speculation for not releasing his returns than get the bad press for releasing whatever is in them.
Harry Reid said that someone from Bain Capital had told him that Romney won't release the returns because he hasn't payed taxes in a decade. He said that it was an 'extremely credible source', but at this moment we don't know who it is.
I think it is true. It wouldn't shock me one bit if Romney hasn't paid taxes in a decade. The rich not paying taxes is not an uncommon thing these days. Reid didn't slip up or gaff, I think he picked this fight on purpose.
Let's put aside the debate over if it is true or not and just focus on the effect.
What happened after Reid made this claim?
1. The charge that Mitt may not have paid taxes for a decade made headlines all over America.
2. Reminded people that Mitt still has not released his returns and recharged the demand to see them, which was starting to fade a bit.
3. It's forcing Romney to defend these charges while still withholding the very documents that could clear his name and splat egg in all our faces if they are clean.
But most importantly, this is defining Romney as a tax dodger. This issue is getting away from him by his own inaction on releasing his returns.
If he does not release his returns and clear this up, I promise you this will not go away. Reid's claim will become the unofficial truth until Mitt can prove otherwise. And if Reid presents his source and it checks out... it's game over for Romney. I hope he does, but if he doesn't it will weaken Reid's claim in the long run, but Romney will be a tax dodger until he can prove otherwise.
Some people would call this a dirty trick. I highly disagree. Besides, as far as the right goes, I refuse to get lectured about campaign ethics from a party that demanded Obama's birth certificate because he's black. This is fair game.
The right is trying to spin this by saying that Reid threw a charge at Romney and since he won't disprove it, we are saying he must be guilty. Claiming that by our logic, they could accuse Reid of being a unicorn rapist and since we can't disprove it, Reid is guilty.
If Reid was repeatedly asked to release his criminal record and relentlessly refused, I could understand the speculation. It would appear that Reid was hiding something.
But we are not throwing slanderous accusations at Romney. He has been asked over and over to release his tax returns like every other presidential candidate and he won't do it. He has no good reason or excuse for why he won't do it. This is not a special case, we aren't asking to see his long form birth certificate or anything. I don't think that wondering if a guy running for President and refusing to show tax returns may not have paid his taxes is a radical thought.
If Romney can't provide proof that he paid his taxes like every candidate does, people will speculate and wonder why not. They will wonder what he's hiding. You can call it politics, but in this case I think it's just human nature. We don't like being lied to and patronized. When we know people are hiding something from us, we imagine what it might be.
So basically, Reid put Romney between a rock and a hard place...
Not release his tax returns and allow the speculation to continue and grow or release them or take the backlash for whatever it is he's hiding?
Harry Reid has put this issue back on the forefront and made it much harder for Romney to shake the Etch-a-Stetch on this.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/03/1116175/-Harry-Reid-s-Brilliant-Move
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)I get the feeling that's why Reid is going after him.
demosincebirth
(12,543 posts)a lier
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)of returns, thanks to Reid's accusations. If Romney doesn't release returns at least for 2009 back 10 years to 2000, he can't prove there weren't years of zero taxation during the past 10 years, as Reid has alleged.
Accountants could amend returns for 2009 and 2011, since they would fall within the three-year window available to every taxpayer. And returns could have been amended back to 2003 under past IRS tax evasion amnesty programs. But it appears to be too late for Romney to amend returns for years before 2003 under any circumstances. Clamor for returns back to at least 2000 and perhaps even to the mid-80s (shown to McCain in 2008) can only increase as more Bain investors attest to a likely Romney tax avoidance sales pitch including bragging about Romney's own low tax rates.
And this escalation of tax disclosure demands is due mainly to Harry Reid's brilliantly-timed allegations.
flamingdem
(39,328 posts)He has too much to lose
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)returns.
Before this week, I thought Romney might be holding back a year or two of cleaned-up returns to surrender with great feigned reluctance just in case demands for disclosure grew.
But the point I was making is that now that may not be enough to satisfy demands for disclosure that have escalated thanks mainly to Harry Reid.
tjl148
(185 posts)So Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years using legal deductions. So what? How many people pay more in taxes then they have to? I'd wager extremely few. I know I don't. So the dialogue goes like this.
Reid: You didn't pay any taxes for 10 years.
Romney: So what.
Reid: That is terrible.
Romney: Then why didn't you change the tax codes 2 years ago when you had both houses of Congress and President Obama if you didn't like it?
Actually, that is my question too. If the tax code is immoral in letting the rich pay no taxes with loop holes why didn't we fix it two years ago?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Make it all up in your head if you want, but Romney's political career is dead if he doesn't release his tax returns.
The GOP party faithful will never ever forgive him for this, that much is assured.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)this looks horrific for him. It shows him to be part of the ultra-rich set who can afford accountants to move his money around the world, taking advantage of every international loophole they find, so that he paid no taxes on income of tens of millions a year which he wasn't even earning. This is the period when he jokingly called himself 'unemployed', or was MA governor and didn't take the salary. If all this money was rolling into his accounts and he could avoid paying anything to keep the government running that he now wants to head, so that he can make it easier for people like him to pay nothing or next to nothing. And he'll have done that by sending a lot of the money abroad.
The tax codes weren't changed 2 years ago because of the Republican filibuster. You know that.
tjl148
(185 posts)We had a filibuster proof senate for close to two years. If Reid could get AHA passed I do believe he could have got tax code reform passed if he had wanted to.
The point I am trying to make is we make a big deal out of something we could have prevented. And Romney just might point that out.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Sen. Franken wasn't seated until July 7, 2009; Sen. Kennedy was too ill to vote after that. After he died, Paul Kirk was sworn in to his seat on Sept 25th 2009; with that, the Democratic caucus (including the unreliable independent Lieberman) finally had 60 votes to break a filibuster. Scott Brown won the election for the seat, and was sworn in Feb 4, 2010.
So that was 4 and a bit months of a filibuster-proof senate - even if you count Lieberman as being on the Democratic side.
This is, of course, ignoring the fact that this isn't about specific loopholes that we know Romney used, and therefore could have been avoided with legislation. Romney did who knows what, but had to try very hard, if he paid no tax. It indicates a mentality of "I'll do anything to avoid helping my country" - which is why he's shit-scared of releasing his returns. A man like that should never be president, and the vast majority of the USA will agree with that.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)he could've changed the world in that narrow four (4) month window, "if he really wanted to". You guys keep saying he had a "filibuster proof" Congress for two years. That was never true. Joe Liebermann isn't a Democrat, and although Bernie Sanders caucuses with Dems, he's an Independent.
Basically, what you're contending is that the president could've fixed the tax code, turned around the economy, got single payer, paid for everyone's homes, put everyone back to work, end the wars, and everything on his wish list in the span of four months. Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
You seem to have gone silent, and I'd really like to hear your response to this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1067776
tjl148
(185 posts)It was a shorter window then I would have thought. My only feeble reply is that Snowe and Collins often vote with us so that some items on your list might have been accomplished. (Told you it was a feeble reply). As to your main and most important point - you are correct, I was wrong. Thanks for the info.
PS I was silent cause I just got home.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)is a standard rightwing talking point. Ever listen to talk radio, or rightwing political hacks on the teevee? It's right out of the Frank Luntz playbook. I'm happy you were able to learn something today, and I hope you'll dispose of that particular t.p. for good, and that you'll be sure to point out to others that "two years" actually = four months.
You might also point out to people that even given all their constraints, the 111th Congress (lead by Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid) was the hardest working Congress in many decades, as pointed out in this Washington Post article. And just in case you've forgotten:
The forgotten accomplishments of the 111th Congress
By Greg Sargent
It's already been pointed out endlessly that the 111th Congress has been one of the most productive in decades. But here's another way to look at it: Consider all the things this Congress has accomplished that we aren't talking about.
Health care reform, the overhaul of Wall Street regulations, the ratification of New START and the repeal of don't ask don't tell are, of course, the accomplishments that will define this Congress in the history books. But there are a whole host of other relatively under-the-radar achievements that in and of themselves would normally be considered major achievements, had they not been completely overshadowed by the big ticket items.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/the_forgotten_accomplishments.html
It's a good read.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...especially those Americans running for President. Doesn't help pay for anything, not even the Defense budget.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)...the other years he didn't realease his Cayman holdings.
Why should anyone trust him now?
Regards
jwirr
(39,215 posts)that is the bottom line. That is what. Much of what he did to not pay taxes is put his money overseas. Let him be the president of those countries he supports.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)another Mormon who is also of such high stature on an issue that goes to the question of character so deeply. There is surely something very peculiar about this..
Another thread that raises this question:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021065748
JCMach1
(27,574 posts)It means Reid is 100% correct.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)And to counter that, the Republicans are running a guy who is the richest guy ever to run for President and he paid NOTHING.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You just know that she knows what is in those tax returns, and she doesn't care if you ever get to see them.
Because she is better than you or me.
And that's how her and Mitt feel about it, and that's all there is to it.
Yet, try to get elected as the head of the local CofC with that attitude, and see how far you get with it!!!
napkinz
(17,199 posts)4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)and he was the perfect choice to make this attack. I'm guessing Reid has some fundamental Mormon issue with Rmoney not paying his fair taxes.