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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat is the Dem message?
Do we leave it up to individual candidates? Whatever works in their district/state? Or do we hone in on something other than Not Trump?
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)into the other guy's playbook
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)As if the difference isn't stark enough, that we'd have to message our way out of it. Please. The gop has been infiltirated by Russians
pandr32
(11,594 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)I fail to understand why Democrats act like we don't have a message, we do.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)a 50 state strategy is the only way to get back in poser...tailor the message for states. You and others need to understand we live in a center left country and without a massive education effort, a big tent is our pathway to power. Tell me how we attain a majority in the Senate without such a strategy...looking at the states.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)It was an either/or question. One of the options was leave it to the states. You probably read into it a tone of voice that dismissed that option. I don't know what to do to prevent that. But I do think that careful listening to the population will help us.
treestar
(82,383 posts)so why make it a question?
Alethia Merritt
(147 posts)Learning everyday about how our message was drowned out by those who knew they could manipulate Trump vs anyone else running for office and surely how they (the GOP, Russia, Israel, China) could get bigoted white Americans and angry black millennials and the media to come out against Hillary.
The latest story in WSJ about Israeli help in attacking Democrats is hurtful.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What is the Republican "message?" The is no "message" and a simple slogan does not work.
pwb
(11,279 posts)Should work.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)pwb
(11,279 posts)We will take our country back. Trump we are stuck with. Comrade Putin and his boys are outed. Nice talk?
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... worried about Trump or Putin. At least not for them to be at the top of the list.
pwb
(11,279 posts)And can never be convinced we are lead by traitors. Fuck Russia......
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vi5
(13,305 posts)..not exactly yielding huge dividends electorally is it?
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)pwb
(11,279 posts)You'll see.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Every Democrat should know. Republicans of course not, they have to hide from what they really don't want to know -- that we really are the good guys, and these days they're not.
You could also watch the 2016 debates to see what points Hillary hit most at that time. She was also always asking people to check out her issues pages for more information.
We adhere to the same in principles and goals we always have, though, specific goals and methods changing to fit current needs and situations, but read 2016 and you will know what we stand for. Just the preamble will be very enlightening.
Every four years, the Democratic Party puts together our party platform, the ideas and beliefs that govern our party as a whole.
What follows is our 2016 platform our most progressive platform in our partys history and a declaration of how we plan to move America forward. Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division, empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls.
This party platform was voted on and passed by our membership at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in 2016. The platform will be updated and re-approved at the 2020 Democratic National Convention.
CONTENTS
Choose a section to jump ahead, or scroll down to read the platform in its entirety.
PREAMBLE
RAISE INCOMES AND RESTORE ECONOMIC SECURITY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS
Raising Workers Wages
Protecting Workers Fundamental Rights
Supporting Working Families
Helping More Workers Share in Near-Record Corporate Profits
Expanding Access to Affordable Housing and Homeownership
Protecting and Expanding Social Security
Ensuring a Secure and Dignified Retirement
Revitalizing Our Nations Postal Service
CREATE GOOD-PAYING JOBS
Building 21st Century Infrastructure
Fostering a Manufacturing Renaissance
Creating Good-Paying Clean Energy Jobs
Pursuing Our Innovation Agenda: Science, Research, Education, and Technology
Supporting Americas Small Businesses
Creating Jobs for Americas Young People
FIGHT FOR ECONOMIC FAIRNESS AND AGAINST INEQUALITY
Reining in Wall Street and Fixing our Financial System
Promoting Competition by Stopping Corporate Concentration
Making the Wealthy Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes
Promoting Trade That is Fair and Benefits American Workers
BRING AMERICANS TOGETHER AND REMOVE BARRIERS TO OPPORTUNITIES
Ending Systemic Racism
Closing the Racial Wealth Gap
Reforming our Criminal Justice System
Fixing our Broken Immigration System
Guaranteeing Civil Rights
Guaranteeing Womens Rights
Guaranteeing Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights
Guaranteeing Rights for People with Disabilities
Respecting Faith and Service
Investing in Rural America
Ending Poverty and Investing in Communities Left Behind
Building Strong Cities and Metro Areas
Promoting Arts and Culture
Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations
Fighting for the People of Puerto Rico
Honoring the People of the Territories
PROTECT VOTING RIGHTS, FIX OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM, AND RESTORE OUR DEMOCRACY
Protecting Voting Rights
Fixing Our Broken Campaign Finance System
Appointing Judges
Securing Statehood for Washington, DC
Strengthening Management of Federal Government
COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, BUILD A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY, AND SECURE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
Building a Clean Energy Economy
Securing Environmental and Climate Justice
Protecting Our Public Lands and Waters
PROVIDE QUALITY AND AFFORDABLE EDUCATION
Making Debt-Free College a Reality
Providing Relief from Crushing Student Debt
Supporting Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Minority-Serving Institutions
Cracking Down on Predatory For-Profit Schools
Guaranteeing Universal Preschool and Good Schools for Every Child
ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS
Securing Universal Health Care
Supporting Community Health Centers
Reducing Prescription Drug Costs
Enabling Cutting-Edge Medical Research
Combating Drug and Alcohol Addiction
Treating Mental Health
Supporting Those Living with Autism and their Families
Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Ensuring Long-Term Care, Services, and Supports
Protecting and Promoting Public Health
Ending Violence Against Women
Preventing Gun Violence
PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND KEEP FAITH WITH OUR VETERANS
Defense Spending
Veterans and Service Members
Military Families
A Strong Military
CONFRONT GLOBAL THREATS
Terrorism
Syria
Afghanistan
Iran
North Korea
Russia
Cybersecurity and Online Privacy
Non-Proliferation of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Weapons
Global Climate Leadership
PROTECT OUR VALUES
Women and Girls
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People
Trafficking and Modern Slavery
Young People
Religious Minorities
Refugees
Civil Society
Anti-Corruption
Torture
Closing Guantánamo Bay
Development Assistance
Global Health
HIV and AIDS
International Labor
A LEADER IN THE WORLD
Asia-Pacific
Middle East
Europe
Americas
Africa
Global Economy and Institutions
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Thank you for posting this again, Hortensis.
THIS has always been the Dem message.
THIS is the message of a progressive thinking, all encompassing Party of good governance.
This IS the Democratic Party.
For those still wondering what the Dem Party stands for, what the Party has & will ALWAYS govern by, I'll repost it again.
Thanks Hortensis
THE 2016 DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM
Every four years, the Democratic Party puts together our party platform, the ideas and beliefs that govern our party as a whole.
What follows is our 2016 platform our most progressive platform in our partys history and a declaration of how we plan to move America forward.
Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division, empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls.
This party platform was voted on and passed by our membership at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in 2016. The platform will be updated and re-approved at the 2020 Democratic National Convention.
From the Link:
(CONTENTS
Choose a section to jump ahead, or scroll down to read the platform in its entirety. )
PREAMBLE
RAISE INCOMES AND RESTORE ECONOMIC SECURITY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS
Raising Workers Wages
Protecting Workers Fundamental Rights
Supporting Working Families
Helping More Workers Share in Near-Record Corporate Profits
Expanding Access to Affordable Housing and Homeownership
Protecting and Expanding Social Security
Ensuring a Secure and Dignified Retirement
Revitalizing Our Nations Postal Service
CREATE GOOD-PAYING JOBS
Building 21st Century Infrastructure
Fostering a Manufacturing Renaissance
Creating Good-Paying Clean Energy Jobs
Pursuing Our Innovation Agenda: Science, Research, Education, and Technology
Supporting Americas Small Businesses
Creating Jobs for Americas Young People
FIGHT FOR ECONOMIC FAIRNESS AND AGAINST INEQUALITY
Reining in Wall Street and Fixing our Financial System
Promoting Competition by Stopping Corporate Concentration
Making the Wealthy Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes
Promoting Trade That is Fair and Benefits American Workers
BRING AMERICANS TOGETHER AND REMOVE BARRIERS TO OPPORTUNITIES
Ending Systemic Racism
Closing the Racial Wealth Gap
Reforming our Criminal Justice System
Fixing our Broken Immigration System
Guaranteeing Civil Rights
Guaranteeing Womens Rights
Guaranteeing Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights
Guaranteeing Rights for People with Disabilities
Respecting Faith and Service
Investing in Rural America
Ending Poverty and Investing in Communities Left Behind
Building Strong Cities and Metro Areas
Promoting Arts and Culture
Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations
Fighting for the People of Puerto Rico
Honoring the People of the Territories
PROTECT VOTING RIGHTS, FIX OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM, AND RESTORE OUR DEMOCRACY
Protecting Voting Rights
Fixing Our Broken Campaign Finance System
Appointing Judges
Securing Statehood for Washington, DC
Strengthening Management of Federal Government
COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, BUILD A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY, AND SECURE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
Building a Clean Energy Economy
Securing Environmental and Climate Justice
Protecting Our Public Lands and Waters
PROVIDE QUALITY AND AFFORDABLE EDUCATION
Making Debt-Free College a Reality
Providing Relief from Crushing Student Debt
Supporting Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Minority-Serving Institutions
Cracking Down on Predatory For-Profit Schools
Guaranteeing Universal Preschool and Good Schools for Every Child
ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS
Securing Universal Health Care
Supporting Community Health Centers
Reducing Prescription Drug Costs
Enabling Cutting-Edge Medical Research
Combating Drug and Alcohol Addiction
Treating Mental Health
Supporting Those Living with Autism and their Families
Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Ensuring Long-Term Care, Services, and Supports
Protecting and Promoting Public Health
Ending Violence Against Women
Preventing Gun Violence
PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND KEEP FAITH WITH OUR VETERANS
Defense Spending
Veterans and Service Members
Military Families
A Strong Military
CONFRONT GLOBAL THREATS
Terrorism
Syria
Afghanistan
Iran
North Korea
Russia
Cybersecurity and Online Privacy
Non-Proliferation of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Weapons
Global Climate Leadership
PROTECT OUR VALUES
Women and Girls
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People
Trafficking and Modern Slavery
Young People
Religious Minorities
Refugees
Civil Society
Anti-Corruption
Torture
Closing Guantánamo Bay
Development Assistance
Global Health
HIV and AIDS
International Labor
A LEADER IN THE WORLD
Asia-Pacific
Middle East
Europe
Americas
Africa
Global Economy and Institutions
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
THIS IS THE FUTURE AMERICA WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
Instead their heads were turned towards the intentional distracted frenzy of Money & Media.
Pity isn't it.
BOOKMARK FOR FUTURE REF.
northremembers
(63 posts)Is there a resource that shows which candidates and elected officials are aligned with which policies while also listing the specific policies being put forward to advance this platform?
I would also say, while this is a good policy outline what's missing is our ideology. I think that was the original question. What is the liberal moral compass that guides our approach to all of the topics in the outline?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Bye
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)That's a lot of reading. Isn't there a graphic novel/cliff notes version? Better yet, how about a three minute youtube video with sock puppets? If not, why not?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)It's all I got!
chowder66
(9,074 posts)The ideology is stated in the preamble. It's been the same ideology for a very long time.
As for a resource on your rep and how it aligns, you can look up your representative's voting record, go to their website and learn about their positions, etc.
If you want more information regarding the outline, click on any issue that you are interested in at democrats.org and read the details.
You can follow your rep on twitter, they usually convey what they are working on, working towards and what matters to them.
The liberal moral compass is in the preamble as well.
In a nutshell though it is to stand and fight for the benefit of the many, not just a few.
It's about doing what we can to make things better, not worse. To bring equality to all so that everyone gets good healthcare, good pay, good returns for your tax contributions, safe water, safe food, breathable air....the list goes on and on. Positive things for all.
The shorter version is - Its a simple but powerful idea: we are stronger together.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)chowder66
(9,074 posts)It could be a young person, someone learning...or not. I thought it wouldn't hurt to answer them.
northremembers
(63 posts)Getting information on my rep is easy, but you're right. I can link through the Democratic platform to get all that information. I know what we stand for and why it's important. I also believe that there are a lot of people in their teens and twenties who have no idea what happened in the world before 2003, or why the damage Trump is doing is so important, or have any idea what it is we are trying to do. Yes, I believe that creating a simple, easy to follow message would help us to win elections and that putting that message in very accessible formats would also help win elections. If you had 30 seconds to explain to someone who says, "I don't watch the news. It's so depressing," why they should vote what would any of us say? The more information we have the better we are able to talk to someone who isn't us. I know everyone here is going to vote blue. It's the people not here who need to get the message.
I am also interested in what's going on outside of my local area. I just don't have time to follow every local race everywhere. I'd like to know more about the new candidates and do more to get their word into the hands of potential voters who won't chase the information down. I wish the coverage spent more time following the candidates and less time with the pundits.
On a different note, the platform and ideology don't always match. Some policies come from our ideology, some have just been around for a long time and no one wants to spend the political capital to change them, some are there to oppose Republicans, some are pragmatic bipartisan policies. Often our moral compass does not drive the policies we support. What we do does not always match who we say we are. Look at Obama continuing Bush tax cuts and the Patriot Act surveillance. Even with Black Lives Matter, Obama had a hard time criticizing police officers shooting unarmed black men because he didn't want to upset law and order voters. I personally would like to see a revisiting of our policies. Building policy around our beliefs is not always politically expedient, but the results are always better.
Thank you, chowder, for taking the time to respond to me. I really did find it helpful and constructive.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Of course, immediate issues to be addressed, goals and methods for achieving them change with time (and this document is full of immediate issues and planned solution of 244 years ago), but the basic principles of America's liberals, and we are gathered in and strongly dominate the Democratic Party in this era, have never changed.
First to know in sorting out what's happening in our era is that government of, by and for the people is an intrinsically liberal principle.
The most profound difference between liberal and conservative personalities is our attitudes toward the principle of equality. Most conservatives don't feel that principle or the sovereignty of the people over government in their gut.
Even our ways of feeling moral issues varies, with conservatives wired to concern for the strength and stability of the community, liberals more strongly for the rights of the individual. Thus, conservatives have always been upset by and fought what liberal principles, equality especially, mean when applied to a thousand situations as they affect individuals and whole populations. It's also why conservatives under bad leadership are vulnerable to authoritarian/fascistic movements and why liberals (Democratic Party these days!) are society's anti-authoritarians and antifascists.
So for 244 years and continuing, the liberal party (Democratic these days) must always fight both to protect the liberal principles guiding our nation from being reformed as conservative and to advance them (universal healthcare a current example among thousands).
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Maybe the Dems can take a slogan out of that somehow!
chowder66
(9,074 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)tyvm
doc03
(35,353 posts)the crap out of us with a couple simple ideas racism and trade.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Part of our problem is that we really, really want good things for all kinds of constituencies. I don't know if I could stand to see us stand on a nutshell platform, but in this age of Tweets and sound bites, it seems like that's the only thing that works.
Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)voting for fucking third parties like the Greens or stay home or attack the only candidate that can stop a Republican as in 16. We didn't lose because of our message, we lost because some on our side didn't vote Democratic..always vote Democratic...there is no universally effective message, it comes down to party loyalty. The Russian princess Traitor Stein who never had a shot of winning received enough votes to have made Hillary the president in three key states... That is the problem. I know some want to bash Democrats about this but the truth is the left left (Green slimes) kneecapped Pres. Obama in 10 because they couldn't sob sob get single payer. This led to a gerrymander of the house that shut us down the rest of his two terms...what a waste...then in 14, we lost the Senate in basically the same way with people even on this forum posting scathing articles about President Obama. This led to Gorsuch. So those on the left left who cry (not you) about a Democratic 'message' actually caused what they complain about. Thus I pretty much don't give two fucks what they say at this point. They have no credibility.
Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Hillary's margin of loss was smaller than the number of votes Stein got!
Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)You're basically saying you think most of the voters are stupid and we need to get better than Republicans are at manipulating them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That makes it sound like they have a huge majority.
They have advantages in the Electoral College, because land gives more influence than voters. The Senate likewise, and even the House is affected.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... the voters, the independents, the not-so-sures to "read the platform????"
treestar
(82,383 posts)So irresponsible they want some kind of slick "message" to be motivated by? Are you sure the voters are like that?
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)How else do you account for Boss Tweets 40% approval rating?
Thank you for bringing that over.
ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)Also shouted from a podium in front of adoring crowds. And single words that can be distorted from their original meaning by repeating over and over and over
grantcart
(53,061 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Let the national Dems provide an overarching theme: Protecting your healthcare, female and minority rights, increasing teacher wages, and that Republicans don't care about you.
Then let the local candidates hone in on the local issues they need to run on to win, opioid addiction, saving unions, etc.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I really don't get what people don't understand about Tip O'Neill's
Point that all politics is local. As democrats, we have a tendency to nationalize races where there should be intense local focus.
northremembers
(63 posts)At the time Tip was Speaker most Americans in rural and urban communities trusted the Democrats to look after local issues better than Republicans. Going back to the New Deal that was our identity. Reagan was the point man in fighting global communism, but on most other issues Democrats had the lead.
That's no longer the case. The Democratic party really needs to restore it's image of community leadership. This is something we can still do before November. Because Trump is so divisive, is clearly compromised by Putin, and has no policies benefiting anyone but the richest 1%, we can put forward a message of local communities working together creating opportunity together. Local campaigns can plug into that.
It's easier to show Trump is distant from average Americans than it is to convince Americans to vote for more conflict in Washington.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... I was hoping to get going.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)jalan48
(13,873 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm so sick of these bullshit "concern" posts with backhanded smears of Democrats and the Democratic party. "Oh no, we have no message other than 'Trump Sucks'... oh woe are we! What are we going to do? Oh no!"
All I'm trying to say is that nonsense like the OP's message is playing into the hands of our opposition. It's a FALSE message that makes the Democratic party and Democratic leadership and Democratic candidates look weak. It serves NO good purpose for anyone to post divisive lies ("concern'') like this.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Sec Hillary Clinton May 2018
And Here:
Four Fights. The core of the Democratic Party :
1) the fight "to make the economy work for everyday Americans";
2) the fight "to strengthen America's families";
3) the fight "to harness all of America's power, smarts, and values to maintain our leadership for peace, security, and prosperity";
4) the fight for "reforming our government and revitalizing our democracy."
THIS is the message of the Democratic Party.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not as vague as "Make America Great Again" but still...."strengthen America's families" ? What does that mean?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Please, do let us know if they missed anything.
If this is still too vague, please go to the given link for an even more in-depth explanation
This party platform was voted on and passed by our membership at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia in 2016. The platform will be updated and re-approved at the 2020 Democratic National Convention.
CONTENTS
Choose a section to jump ahead, or scroll down to read the platform in its entirety.
PREAMBLE
RAISE INCOMES AND RESTORE ECONOMIC SECURITY FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS
Raising Workers Wages
Protecting Workers Fundamental Rights
Supporting Working Families
Helping More Workers Share in Near-Record Corporate Profits
Expanding Access to Affordable Housing and Homeownership
Protecting and Expanding Social Security
Ensuring a Secure and Dignified Retirement
Revitalizing Our Nations Postal Service
CREATE GOOD-PAYING JOBS
Building 21st Century Infrastructure
Fostering a Manufacturing Renaissance
Creating Good-Paying Clean Energy Jobs
Pursuing Our Innovation Agenda: Science, Research, Education, and Technology
Supporting Americas Small Businesses
Creating Jobs for Americas Young People
FIGHT FOR ECONOMIC FAIRNESS AND AGAINST INEQUALITY
Reining in Wall Street and Fixing our Financial System
Promoting Competition by Stopping Corporate Concentration
Making the Wealthy Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes
Promoting Trade That is Fair and Benefits American Workers
BRING AMERICANS TOGETHER AND REMOVE BARRIERS TO OPPORTUNITIES
Ending Systemic Racism
Closing the Racial Wealth Gap
Reforming our Criminal Justice System
Fixing our Broken Immigration System
Guaranteeing Civil Rights
Guaranteeing Womens Rights
Guaranteeing Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights
Guaranteeing Rights for People with Disabilities
Respecting Faith and Service
Investing in Rural America
Ending Poverty and Investing in Communities Left Behind
Building Strong Cities and Metro Areas
Promoting Arts and Culture
Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations
Fighting for the People of Puerto Rico
Honoring the People of the Territories
PROTECT VOTING RIGHTS, FIX OUR CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM, AND RESTORE OUR DEMOCRACY
Protecting Voting Rights
Fixing Our Broken Campaign Finance System
Appointing Judges
Securing Statehood for Washington, DC
Strengthening Management of Federal Government
COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, BUILD A CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY, AND SECURE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
Building a Clean Energy Economy
Securing Environmental and Climate Justice
Protecting Our Public Lands and Waters
PROVIDE QUALITY AND AFFORDABLE EDUCATION
Making Debt-Free College a Reality
Providing Relief from Crushing Student Debt
Supporting Historically Black Colleges and Universities and Minority-Serving Institutions
Cracking Down on Predatory For-Profit Schools
Guaranteeing Universal Preschool and Good Schools for Every Child
ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS
Securing Universal Health Care
Supporting Community Health Centers
Reducing Prescription Drug Costs
Enabling Cutting-Edge Medical Research
Combating Drug and Alcohol Addiction
Treating Mental Health
Supporting Those Living with Autism and their Families
Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Ensuring Long-Term Care, Services, and Supports
Protecting and Promoting Public Health
Ending Violence Against Women
Preventing Gun Violence
PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND KEEP FAITH WITH OUR VETERANS
Defense Spending
Veterans and Service Members
Military Families
A Strong Military
CONFRONT GLOBAL THREATS
Terrorism
Syria
Afghanistan
Iran
North Korea
Russia
Cybersecurity and Online Privacy
Non-Proliferation of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Weapons
Global Climate Leadership
PROTECT OUR VALUES
Women and Girls
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People
Trafficking and Modern Slavery
Young People
Religious Minorities
Refugees
Civil Society
Anti-Corruption
Torture
Closing Guantánamo Bay
Development Assistance
Global Health
HIV and AIDS
International Labor
A LEADER IN THE WORLD
Asia-Pacific
Middle East
Europe
Americas
Africa
Global Economy and Institutions
https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think short but specific/concrete is the way to go.
Here's how I would boil it down:
1. Raise Minimum Wage
2. Increase Infrastructure Spending
3. Raise Taxes on the Wealthy
4. Impose Regulations on Banks and Wall Street
5. Impose Regulations to Alleviate Climate Change
6. Free College (maybe?)
7. Universal Health Care
8. Stricter Gun Regulations
9. Criminal Justice Reform
10. Combat Systematic Racism
How does that look?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)the policies they lay out. They have broken those basics down even further so when policy & laws are written, every detail that affects everything involved, is considered.
That is how good governance succeeds.
Good governance doesn't come from a broad brush of good ideas with no plan to implement fairly, good governance comes with thoughful consideration of a reachable working policy plan.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'd rather have a solid 10 that are more concrete. Sort of split the difference between the lengthier list and the quartet.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)R B Garr
(16,955 posts)hating banks.
Millionaires are getting a pass lately...because...
Thats about it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that was so inspiring I'm sure! He's more of a Democrat than the Democrats, after all!
samnsara
(17,623 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That would be good. It is just anti-Dotard, but the idea that we need competence in the government again should strike a chord!
doc03
(35,353 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)R B Garr
(16,955 posts)Also and and
betsuni
(25,550 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)yet it could be now! After 2 years of incompetence and corruption, the best message might be "back to normal" and "competence."
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)And we here in Michigan are very well aware that we are totally on our own and literally NO ONE gives a shit...
Since no Dem maps actually include the formerly great state of Michigan I will tell you, it is a very large state. It has very diverse geographic regions as well as demography. Yet each CD is it's own world. Take for instance, the 1st district. It's over 30 counties big and encompasses the entire Upper Peninsula and a huge section of the mitten. I live here and can tell you it has about zero in common with Lansing or Detroit. Our great candidate, Matt Morgan, is running an excellent campaign, taking no corporate pac money and can relate to a broad section of the constituency. It would be a completely different animal in Detroit or any large urban district.
While there are of course commonalities among all progressives, each district needs their particular issues addressed by someone they feel understands what they are. To simply stick to a one size fits all message from sea to shining sea would be the most ineffective thing I can think of.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)You illustrate that well.
This is not a presidential election. An over-arching party message is less important than local candidates running on local issues.
In fact, the whole "what do Dems stand for?" question actually distracts from local candidates real messages.
Eye on the prize.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)In other words, just like 2016.
(On the bright side, Congressional races don't have an Electoral College to give the runner-up the seat.)
mcar
(42,337 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)With concern trolls progressives. How is that comrade?
vi5
(13,305 posts)I've been on DU since the early 2000's and an active Democrat since the mid 80's and I am "concerned" as hell. I think our messaging and consistency at the leadership level is lacking to put it nicely.
I can't believe I got found out! It's true I've been part of a decades long Russian plot to get Donald Trump elected and undermine the Democratic party from within.
Oh well, back to Moscow I go. You are all way too smart for me.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Maybe get some ideas from then?
And if we do win, are you going to admit whatever the "messaging" was worked?
You mean when Howard Dean was in charge? Sure I'd be game for that.
And part of the problem is this "are you going to admit". I'm not in this for my own personal edification. I don't need to "admit" anything. i don't think I need to prove that we are not doing great as a party. I think the results speak of the majority of general elections since 2000 (especially ones where Obama was not on the ballot) speak for themselves.
Oh, right I forgot. it's all the fault of Russian bots and our party and it's leaders have done absolutely nothing wrong.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and we do well, we just need turnout more than we need slogans. Slogans work better for right wingers. We don't need to do the things they do. It's just as unreasonable to put it on our leaders and dismiss the Russians and the gerrymandering as the straw men you put up.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)or wont acknowledge that Bernies own messaging is rather obsolete in the face of the Russian interference. That is the GOPs angle to stay in power but they stick with their outdated messaging.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..as I said in my other response, it's fair to blame the Russians and gerrymandering and the media as actual problems that do need to be solved. And no we didn't create those problems. But It's also fair to point out that we've done a very bad job in handling a lot of these problems and our lack of electoral successes during that time (especially during years when Obama was not on the ballot) are proof of that.
The republican-ization of the media and the Republicans incessant and calculated marketing blitz has been going on since Clinton's second term. It's almost 25 years later and we still do not seem to have a read on how to effectively handle that. And yet we seem to keep going to the same well in terms of how we handle it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)How did we even do a bad job? There are no specifics here.
stmac
(22 posts)To your (hopefully) sincere query should NOT be the message, thats for damn sure.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)Wall Street, billionaires, neoliberal, third way, 1/10th of 1%, Corpo Dems...what did I miss? Welcome.
stmac
(22 posts)Sincerity?
Maybe the paid Russian trolls are the ones trying to stifle any constructive discussion through ridicule or outright bullying.
Seriously this IS a Democratic message board: Isnt the whole damn point to do things like discuss the message.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)It certainly isnt about One man.
Response to R B Garr (Reply #53)
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R B Garr
(16,955 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)We think alike, RB, you and I.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)but much better and with those awesome gifs!
betsuni
(25,550 posts)Seriously, this IS a Democratic message board and Democrats are not trolling a Democratic board by explaining the Democratic message to people insisting (for years) there IS no message. After the 2000th post moaning about how terrible the Democratic Party is and gee whiz, what does the party stand for, it has no other message than we-are-not-Republicans, one gives up and resorts to gifs and LOLs because constructive discussion must be based on facts.
We have heard this one too many times before, and with no suggested answers! And no intention by the proponent to get involved in the campaigns so they can have an influence!
treestar
(82,383 posts)note it did not come with any suggestions.
It's the desire to have it be easy. Just come up with a simple slogan. The voters need to be manipulated into voting for us with simple slogans. Not all of us have that belief.
And then whatever the leaders do come up with will, you can guarantee, be not good enough. And then if we do win, they will forget about it.
Not being of the Incompetent Self Centered party that brought the Dotard into office worked in a place like Alabama, FFS. And bringing out the base - minority voters.
Dems have flipped about every special election and those have low turnouts. As usual, the easy answer if turnout the base. Don't insult them by implying it can be done with a simple "message."
vi5
(13,305 posts)...the same way the trumpanzees approach their own loss and lack of success in life.
There will always be someone else to blame and it's never their fault.
They don't have money or jobs? Well it's definitely illegal immigrants!! And muslims!!! And definitely not any of the choices that they have made throughout their lives.
We have a consistent record of losing national, state, and local control of government? It's Russian Bots!!! It's the Green Party!! it's liberals wanting a pony! And it's definitely not any of the choices we've made as a party in terms of our leadership and/or our approach.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Russians and Greens did their part to make it harder.
vi5
(13,305 posts)....when we look at the degree to which we've lost control over the past 25 years at every level of government it can't all be blamed on outside forces especially when the boogeymen who are to blame are constantly changing over that same time period to not admit that a large portion of that falls on our choices is willfully naive.
And even when it has been outside forces (particularly the media, voter intimidation, etc. ), how we've chosen to deal with those forces and who we put in charge of handling those issues are actual choices we've made. So yeah, we can blame others for starting the problem but we bear blame for how we've handled them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and to have a say in those, you have to get involved.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)How to communicate it is.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)is completely untrue.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... question. It was implying that we need to think hard about how we get our message out.
Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)to it...I could see discussing the 50 state strategy...or things like that. But we have seen this before and I will say with absolute confidence, Democrats have a message and given that only twice since 1934 have the president's party won midterms we have a good chance...and I will also add the unspoken message here that we should not run against Trump is wrong. The current president is always on the block during a midterm. And I say off with his head.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)The situation.
For instance, different people have different value systems.
People in high density population areas are more likely to be concerned with housing costs and transportation issues.
People in more rural areas might be more concerned with access to healthcare and job opportunities.
Military families and veterans have a whole slew of specialized issues that are unique to that demographic.
The Democratic Party has a very good platform however the difficulty is how to reduce key components of the platform into "2 minute elevator" speeches.
Maybe an on-the-ground analysis of the districts, conducted by locals followed up by a customised "marketing" campaign is the way to go. This is important because i truly believe that the people on the ground in the district know what will work. The folks at the top of the party may have the best of intentions but not really know what will work.
Politics is a business whether we like it or not. The voter is the customer.
They have a choice of which brand to buy...conservative or progressive. We need to sell our product.
My .02 cents.
treestar
(82,383 posts)if they continue to act like consumers they will be the ones to suffer; look at now.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)To take the initiative...
Good luck with that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They got self-government from the Founders. If they aren't inspired by that, then they can let those who care take over and quit complaining and acting above it all.
treestar
(82,383 posts)"Self government" before you lose it, means you get involved. Not just sit there like a "consumer" deciding you don't like the "product" that is, it is not entertaining enough.
ooky
(8,924 posts)i.e. they exploded deficit spending after campaigning on fiscal responsibility;
and, promised tax relief to working class and gave it to their richest contributors instead, while giving the middle class insulting tax cuts (if they got a cut at all) that didn't change their lives;
and, promised to repeal health care and lower medical cost and prescription drug prices - instead tried to pass a 25% reduction in Medicaid (earmarked to pay for their tax scam before healthcare didn't pass) meaning they had to use the promised infrastructure money for the tax scam, therefore no infrastructure, and added 1.5 trillion in debt in the process, while meantime their failed health care bill didn't lower anybody's health care cost anyway, nor did they allow the government to negotiate drug costs.
Oh and they got rid of net neutrality so your internet provider can block your favorite websites and charge you out your ass.
Not to mention the jobs that didn't come back from China as promised by orange underwear streak, while he instead made a deal with China to save hacker and intellectual property stealer ZTE CHINESE jobs (really? after promising to bring back OUR jobs from China?) in exchange for a $500 million loan to benefit his personal business,
oh, and don't forget the Carrier jobs he lied about saving which seems so long ago and the new trade war with China threatening the livilhood of U.S. ag products.
Maybe we could remind people these were all Republican BETRAYALS and that if we can get enough dems in office we could try to reverse all this shit.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)which you have received in abundance on this thread.
Ok, then, here's 2: health care for all; and common sense gun control.
There are others, but that gets us back to the Dem Platform.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Yes, I should have made myself clearer. I wouldn't be a member of DU if I needed a wealth of information. I was looking for ideas about how to market ourselves to those that aren't committed. What's our version of Make America Great Again? Although.... we could use exactly that message.....
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)It is in the 90s documentaries that air on CNN and they show him saying that. He was referencing Democratic values.
Lots of people copied from the successful Clinton campaign. Ive always thought it strange why Bernie passed up 11 Presidential elections to run. He could have challenged Bill Clinton.
edit: I remember a documentary on Bush Jr and how they admittedly studied/copied Clintons campaign. Lots of people copied him. Its the economy, stupid.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You think the Dotard won because of "Make America Great Again?"
"Hope and Change" is the last one that worked in a national election.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)R B Garr
(16,955 posts)which he wove into his message. We should go back and use the Clinton messaging. Everyone else has studied iit and copied it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)..incredibly general and subjective. If someone is paying through the nose for healthcare or goes bankrupt because their insurance is shitty...technically they have healthcare. So.....universal coverage? A public option? Single payer? Are the conservative Dems on board with that?
"common sense" according to who? Again....are those delicate red state Dems on board with this?
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)The Health Security Act. Think of where we would be towards single payer if she wasnt opposed by the GOP and grandstanders.
The Clintons were actually decades ahead of their time crafting universal health care and choosing Al Gore with his climate change expertise. Bill Clinton left a surplus, beating the Republicans at their own games about fiscal responsibility.
treestar
(82,383 posts)that the economy gets wrecked under Republicans and goes into debt under Republicans.
Reminder of Bill's surplus.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)25 years ago! Seriously. Everyone keeps copying it, so why not.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)we had majorities in both houses at the time. What happened
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)....don't we have very well compensated people whose job it is to do that? Don't we elect people who are supposed to do just that?
Really? Our message to people not already convinced as to how awesome we are should be "Come up with your own message?"
Stellar plan.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)And many of them are even in the Democratic platform and on the Democratic website. But I'm not who we need to reach.
What we need are 1) People who are better at communicating those messages unequivocally, and 2) commitment to actually doing something about them.
Not telling people "Go check the website!" or "It's in the platform!!" or "Why are you too dumb to know what our message is!!!"
Not saying "Well, yeah we'd like those things but we have to run it by red state dems first".
Not saying "Well yeah, that would be great but how are we going to pay for it?"
I'm a lifelong, multi-decade, active member of the party. I'm completely sold and don't need convincing. Voted straight Dem in every single election since 1986 without fail. President on down to Dog catcher. Never not voted for a Democrat. Donated thousands of dollars and thousands of hours to the party of the years. I spend probably hours a day reading about and thinking about politics.
And I think our message is lacking both simplicity, consistency, and commitment. So how do you think someone who is not as committed, not as invested in the party, and doesn't have the time and resources I do to inform themselves is going to be more informed about it and have a better opinion on it?
I'm not even saying it's all 100% the parties fault. We have a media stacked against us. We have another party that is ruthless and self centered and will do anything to win. But that's also part of it. We need to play the game and people willing and able to play that game with the media and the opposition party we have, not the ones we wish we had....not the media we used to have when the majority and minority leader would go out for a bear after a day of rigorous intellectual debate.
But sure we should definitely dismiss anyone whose approach isn't to just clap louder and talk nicely always about the Democratic party. We should just blame it all on Russian bots. We should definitely just complain that the media sucks and Republicans are evil without actually coming up with better plans to counter their efforts.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)You can probably submit them through their website. Sounds a lot more productive than criticism.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)against Democrats works with a portion of voters. Anyone who negatively smeared Democrats like this is why we have Trump. Some are very committed to this, though. I always wondered why Bernie never mentioned Bill Clinton raising taxes on the rich already25 years ago. Why harp on the negatives only to promote yourself. Bill Clinton left a surplus for his Vice President, but we got Bushs war instead because of this useless negative messaging.
treestar
(82,383 posts)You don't want to be involved. You expect the leaders to do it. Then you don't like what they come up with. Are you expert at this or not? If you can tell they are so bad at messaging, nothing stops you from helping, or figuring out who is good at it. Surely SOMEONE with some ability at this exists in the Democratic party.
treestar
(82,383 posts)claim they are not good at it?
Yeah, get involved, be part of it, rather than sitting back lazily. Self-government takes SOME effort. If you leave it to others, they will rule you. That is the freedom we have.
Demsrule86
(68,605 posts)Democratic platform, but do consider this. There will be no majority without a big tent that includes Democrats who are moderates and liberals...some even to the right. This is the only way. And I would add. I really don't get those who say they don't know the Democratic message as it seems quit clear to me. The last point is in a midterm, it works to run against the president's party. Since 1934 the party has taken power only two times. Clinton won the midterms in 98 which is especially notable because the last midterm in the second term is usually the worst of the eight years. Those who advocate impeachment should consider this. Also, Bush won the midterms after the bombing of the trade center in 2002. Every other time the party out of power in terms of the presidency won...every other time! Now we have a gerrymander so it is not a done deal. But I think we have a good shot...and running against the president is a time honored and effective strategy and with this president, it should be even more so.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Dems are not Republicans. Simple slogans don't mean much.
What was the Orange Idiot's "message?" What is the Republican "message?" This is BS just to "criticize" for no reason.
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randr
(12,412 posts)When the Reps drafted their "Contract with America" they rode it for a decade and we all know how that turned out.
Democrats have the higher ground on all the important issues facing us. It is time we declared our positions and offer a collective list of how we will address these.
Gothmog
(145,353 posts)There is a great deal to like in the Democrats message https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/21/democrats-just-rolled-out-a-broad-reform-agenda-would-it-make-a-difference/?utm_term=.dea1079bbf74
Voting: Automatic voter registration, paper-verified votes, an end to felon disenfranchisement, steps to make it easier for voters with disabilities to cast ballots, same-day registration, expanded early voting, an end to partisan gerrymandering.
Ethics: New enforcement power for the Office of Government Ethics, tighter disclosure requirements for lobbyists.
Campaign finance: Tax-deductible donations for House candidates, 6-to-1 matching of contributions up to $150 to enhance value of small-dollar contributions, a constitutional amendment to repeal the Citizens United decision.
These kinds of plans are always presented as transformative, with the potential to at last bring about an age free of corruption and special-interest influence. Which perhaps isnt surprising; you dont expect politicians to say, Here are some ideas that will have a marginally positive effect, even though the fundamental problems will remain.
But in some ways, thats the truth. Its particularly true on ethics reform, which we hear more about whenever theres some kind of scandal in Congress. And every president comes into office saying theyre going to eliminate the power of special interests and run an unusually ethical administration.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)Similar to what the Republicans did in 1996 with their Contract with America, only with progressive priorities.
I'd propose:
1. Raising the minimum wage to $12 and then indexing it to inflation.
2. Fixing Obamacare with massively increased subsidies and automatic registration (which would make mandates and penalties no longer necessary).
3. Interest-free refinancing of all student loans.
4. Wall Street transaction tax that is earmarked to benefit the Social Security trust fund.
5. Decriminalization of marijuana at the federal level.
vi5
(13,305 posts)1) $15 minimum wage
2) Universal health care.
4) Tax the wealthy
5) Legalize pot
And I would add
6) Net Neutrality
That's how simple they all need to be. And no we don't need to hear "Oh but that won't work because and how would we pay for that and well what about the red states....."
Those are all things that are simple, clear, concise, would appeal to a large swath of voters. And when we get in we make it visible that we are fighting for all of those things.
While I agree with what you posted, part of our problem is that we are always making things more complicated than they need to be, and adding caveats, and looking at things from multiple angles........no.
This is what we want and this is what we will fight for.
dawg
(10,624 posts)That's a means, not an end.
Net neutrality is a good one.
In general, though, I still like my list better. Probably because I think we might win and actually have to try and implement it.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...that our lists were saying almost the same things. But they just need to be simpler and more direct.
A big part of our problem is that we start negotiations from a point of caveats and suppositions and then things get worse from there (as they do in negotiations).
We need to start from the absolutes (Universal healthcare, full legalization, etc.) and then if we have to add those caveats and specifics you had later then so be it. But when we start with those in place it only goes downhill from there.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)I posted a pro Sanders response on another post. I was criticized for supposedly putting the Democratic Party down. The implication was that criticizing the Dem party is looked down upon here at DU. One must NOT criticize the Dem party here at DU.
Now I read the first response to this post which is telling the OP that just asking what the Dem party message is, is playing right into the hands of the Republicans.
WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO THIS PLACE?!!!. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?.
What is left to say? You're not supposed to criticize your own party and now just asking what our message is, is playing into the hands of the Right. We can't get any lower than this.
I haven't visited this site in a while. Now I come back to read THIS?
vi5
(13,305 posts)....I feel like I am in topsy turvy land sometimes.
I've been on DU since almost the beginning and have been an active, across the board Democrat since the mid 80's and yet I get called a Russian bot or a concern troll or a pony wanting leftist or whatever else simply because I think that maybe (crazy thing to point out here so get ready).....the Democratic party isn't doing all that well electorally and maybe we should make some changes to our approaches and/or leadership.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)the current DU in a nutshell. *snicker*
Judi Lynn
(160,555 posts)Far better to NOT use the word "we" so freely, when one identifies with the far, FAR more ethical party while trying to dump on it.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... what I, myself, thought. I figured DU was a DISCUSSION site. That is such a dumb interpretation of my post.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)each district has their own needs and politics. Some basic national message like corruption of admin officials like Pruitt and Zinke...as well as "trust" on who can root out corruption
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)our jingles and catchphrases weren't cool enough, it's probably time I moved to another country.
People that vote on a cool catchphrases are fair weather friends and will wait for the next shiny object being dangled in front if them to veer off into the next fad. If we lost those folks good riddance America, been nice knowing ya.