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we sent a hospital ship that sat empty. that's why they died. (Original Post) mopinko Jun 2018 OP
And even that arrived late malaise Jun 2018 #1
That onecaliberal Jun 2018 #2
yup. had to be shamed into sending it. mopinko Jun 2018 #7
General Honore had a really good idea that FEMA and the feds should have followed lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #3
Reminds me of the trucks full of ice democrank Jun 2018 #4
Brownie testified in front of Congress justgamma Jun 2018 #5
Yea, but someone got paid big $$$$$$$ kacekwl Jun 2018 #6
it was a military ship, so no, but mopinko Jun 2018 #8
It had a helicopter. Igel Jun 2018 #9
If a rumor had been started that a platoon of 20 Cubans had invaded Puerto Rico, Mc Mike Jun 2018 #10

lapfog_1

(29,226 posts)
3. General Honore had a really good idea that FEMA and the feds should have followed
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:59 PM
Jun 2018

Send out the hospital ship and an aircraft carrier group (with almost nothing but helicopters on it) to follow along BEHIND the hurricane.

Hurricanes almost never reverse course. The ships would be on station within hours of the hurricane leaving the scene of any potential devastation.

If the Hurricane misses everything... some expense incurred but no real harm done (training exercise).

If the Hurricane hits something, the hospital ship and helicopters, complete with bottled water supplies, etc, would be ready to save lives.

democrank

(11,109 posts)
4. Reminds me of the trucks full of ice
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jun 2018

that sat idle in Maine while victims were begging for water/ice during Katrina. Shameful.

justgamma

(3,667 posts)
5. Brownie testified in front of Congress
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jun 2018

that he didn't think they needed ice for the parties they were having in NO after Katrina. That's why he sent the ice to Maine. I'll never forget that.

mopinko

(70,225 posts)
8. it was a military ship, so no, but
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 11:03 PM
Jun 2018

they did pay and arm and a leg to carnival for ships for personnel that they never sent.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
9. It had a helicopter.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 09:13 AM
Jun 2018

This may answer some questions. The chain of command was respected. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/health/puerto-rico-hospital-ship/index.html

This happened in Katrina, as well. If you listen through the headlines to what's going on, often you find that the response is layered. There's local responses; there are state-level responses; there are federal responses. In Louisiana, the government defended her turf after the local response failed. DU was rife with discussion that had two sides to it: It would be horrible for Bush II to federalize the disaster; Bush II had jurisdiction over everything, why didn't FEMA do anything.

Even with the National Guard, the official request to pull in other NG personnel has to start with the governor and is sent directly to the other states. If that's not done, they respect the chain of command and don't send troops. They may offer, they may call them up and prep them, but none cross state lines.

FEMA waited for PR's referrals. PR didn't send them. Why? That's a different question.

Same for all the linemen that were available to help resuscitate the power grid. PR could have called them weeks before they did. But PR decided to contract it out, with incredibly bad public-relations results.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
10. If a rumor had been started that a platoon of 20 Cubans had invaded Puerto Rico,
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 09:19 AM
Jun 2018

the entire 4th Fleet would have been mobilized immediately, and completely encircled the island.

Of course, they'd have just bombed the place flat. But they sure would have been there, in a snap.

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