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Roseanne was clearly a train wreck waiting to happen given her history of tweets. Yes, shame on ABC and others for thinking this would end well. But both Roseanne and Trump have among others one very serious problem. No one can tell them no. The people who have the hardest time in recovery are those who can keep consequences at bay for the longest periods of time. Both Roseanne and Trump have no internal mechanism to generate consequences (neither did Clinton in regards to affairs). Most people can't behave like they did for any real length of time because they have people who can and will say no to them. So the one and only way their behavior changes is if there are real and lasting consequences for that behavior and even then the behavior still may not change. Roseanne lost her show but is still by any measure a very wealthy woman. She has a fan base egging her on and sychophants who will tell her that she isn't to blame for the trouble she is in. Trump is the same way. His behavior won't change unless we the people make it change. No one in his White House can, or for that matter wants to, say no to him. The tweeting is a problem for both but like an alcoholic who functions and has people to enable him, they will continue until they are made to stop.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)I can't understand why nobody will stand up to these people. How hard can it be? They are not nearly as powerful as they think they are. They are only as powerful as we allow them to be.
KT2000
(20,584 posts)has sunk trump and Roseanne.
Initech
(100,081 posts)We live in an era now where politeness and progress are completely dead. And being rude, obnoxious and entitled is not only socially acceptable now, it's the norm thanks to our president who is all of those things. Trump has brought out the absolute worst in people and it's going to get worse before it gets better. We went from "hope and change" in 2008 to "fuck your feelings" in 2016. It's a very sad decline.
Excellent observations
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)And, a big difference with those of us that have been in recovery is that our lives to some extent became unmanageable.
With narcissists and psychopaths that have wealth (or access to wealth), that is very, very difficult to achieve and I've known a few. Very little likelihood that either tRump or Roseanne will wind up broke or homeless and even less likely either will publicly admit to being dead wrong in their behavior.
Should tRump and any of his associates go to prison, they will quickly learn what an unmanageable life means.
Sad......