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DetlefK

(16,423 posts) Mon Jun 4, 2018, 05:23 AM Jun 2018

IMO, Giuliani accidently delivered an argument why Trump should be deposed via 25th Amendment:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-lawyer-recollection-changing-statement-trump-jr-meeting/story?id=55615582

President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani said the Trump team's recollections about a statement made on an infamous Trump Tower meeting "keeps changing."

"This is the reason you don’t let this president testify in the special counsel’s Russia investigation,” Giuliani told ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos on "This Week" Sunday. "Our recollection keeps changing, or we’re not even asked a question and somebody makes an assumption.”

There you have it.
From his own lawyer.
President Donald J. Trump has problems remembering facts.

What other facts does he have trouble remembering? On what other things does his "recollection keep changing?"

Does President Donald J. Trump insist that the investigation is a witch-hunt because his "recollection keeps changing?"

Does he insist that the Obama-administration wiretapped Trump Tower because his "recollection keeps changing?"

Does he insist that his campaign-manager Paul Manafort played only a minor role in his campaign because his "recollection keeps changing?"

Does he insist that there is no pee-tape because his "recollection keeps changing?"

Did he subject Latinos and African-Americans to a racist double-standard because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he refuse to enact sanctions passed by Congress because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he make the US leave various international treaties because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he start a trade-war with China, Canada and the EU because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he antagonize Canada and Europe, traditional military allies of the US, because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he order the airforce to conduct bombings against ISIS with less care for civilian losses because his "recollection keeps changing?"
Did he order an attack on a military airport of the syrian government because his "recollection keeps changing?"

When his own attorney publicly declares that the President of the United States can no longer be trusted to make decisions because he has trouble remembering things...

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IMO, Giuliani accidently delivered an argument why Trump should be deposed via 25th Amendment: (Original Post) DetlefK Jun 2018 OP

Many Trump voters recollections of the election will soon change to say they didn't vote. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #1

They won't change their minds. They don't think they are stupid sweetroxie Jun 2018 #2

I didn't say they did. They will become ashamed to admit it in public at some point. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #3

Nah Branch Trumpvidians have no shame 47of74 Jun 2018 #4

Always a core branch who never change. Roger Stone got a Nixon tattoo on his back. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #10

Hey, I remember back when you couldn't pay someone to admit they'd voted for Nixon. calimary Jun 2018 #11

People I know are already doing that. Kurt V. Jun 2018 #7

The Tea-Belly Sneeches II, Trump-Bail Bugaloo JHB Jun 2018 #9

Indeed! calimary Jun 2018 #12

I almost feel sorry for Guilliani.... ollie10 Jun 2018 #5

Maybe for those horridly bad teeth I feel sorry for him calimary Jun 2018 #13

I remember many W supporters were like that too, duforsure Jun 2018 #6

A lot of them are the very same people JHB Jun 2018 #8

diagnoses of senility or dementia bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #14

I once knew somebody with Alzheimer's. DetlefK Jun 2018 #16

It touches many families, probably about 50% of them bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #17

Hilary won... njcpa1978 Jun 2018 #15

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,011 posts)

1. Many Trump voters recollections of the election will soon change to say they didn't vote.

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:12 AM

Jun 2018

In time, many (never all) will be ashamed of being so stupid and will simply deny voting in that election. We're not there yet.

sweetroxie

(776 posts)

2. They won't change their minds. They don't think they are stupid

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:30 AM

Jun 2018

or that he is stupid. They simply all ARE stupid and are true believers.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,011 posts)

3. I didn't say they did. They will become ashamed to admit it in public at some point.

Reply to sweetroxie (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:41 AM

Jun 2018

What percentage of 1972 voters admit they voted for Nixon? From people writing on DU, it seems that the numbers these days are lower than the percentage of the popular vote.

47of74

(18,470 posts)

4. Nah Branch Trumpvidians have no shame

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:57 AM

Jun 2018

They’ll go to their graves being loud and proud of their support of the Orange Fornicate.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,011 posts)

10. Always a core branch who never change. Roger Stone got a Nixon tattoo on his back. . . nt

Reply to 47of74 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:15 AM

Jun 2018

calimary

(81,323 posts)

11. Hey, I remember back when you couldn't pay someone to admit they'd voted for Nixon.

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:24 AM

Jun 2018

Seriously. After Watergate, you’d have thought nobody voted for the guy. Even when you knew for a fact that they had.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)

7. People I know are already doing that.

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:01 AM

Jun 2018

JHB

(37,161 posts)

9. The Tea-Belly Sneeches II, Trump-Bail Bugaloo

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:11 AM

Jun 2018

Reposting an oldie but very relevant goodie from Driftglass:
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2010/09/now-bush-belly-sneetches.html

(really hard to pick what to skip to stay within the fair-use rules, so please bear with me)

The Tea-Belly Sneetches

Now, the Bush-Belly Sneetches were backers of Bush,

The Plain-Belly Sneetches thought Bush was a Tush.
The Bushs weren’t so big; they were really quite small.
You would think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.
But because they backed Bush, all the Bush-Bellied Sneetches would brag,
“Plain-Bellies are nothing but Commies in Drag!”

"They hate our Great Nation," The Bush-Bellies said.

They're Marxist white-flaggers who want us all dead!
They hate our Dear Leader! They hate our Great Troops!
They mindlessly hate everything, those Socialist poops!
It's their lack of Bush-Bellies that gives them away
They're America-haters! And probably Gay!"

***

The Bush-Belly Sneetches became very confused.
How could they fail? Had they merely been used?
Fox had told them for years they were righteous and shrewd;
That the Plain-Belly Sneetches were stupid and crude.
Now their Bush-Belly tats made them look shithouse-rat-nuts
Their own words had damned them, no "ands", "ifs" or "buts".

And then out of the West came their own gin-soaked Moses
Who swore all their shame could be turned into roses.
His name was Sylvester "Dick Armey" McBean

Inventor of the Fabulous, Tea-Baggulous Bush-Off Machine.

***

They marched and they cheered and sang lots of brave tunes,
About how great Beck was, and how Lefties were Loons.
For one thing, of course, had remained just the same
The Left and their schemes were always to blame.
Because there is no need to be careful or watch what you say

When your past is as squashy as modeling clay.

calimary

(81,323 posts)

12. Indeed!

Reply to JHB (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:27 AM

Jun 2018

That’s quite a recitation.

ollie10

(2,091 posts)

5. I almost feel sorry for Guilliani....

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:57 AM

Jun 2018

...the guy is an old has-been, maybe at one time he was on his game, but now he is not. It is embarrassing watching him flail around.

But, the more I think about it, the less I feel sorry for him. He made his own bed. Now he is sleeping on it.

calimary

(81,323 posts)

13. Maybe for those horridly bad teeth I feel sorry for him

Reply to ollie10 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:30 AM

Jun 2018

but not for the twisted shit that issues forth from behind them.

On second thought... nah. I don’t feel sorry for him for any reason. Not when it’s self-inflicted.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)

6. I remember many W supporters were like that too,

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:00 AM

Jun 2018

They were ashamed of what they did. Every day ghouliani opens his mouth , he becomes more laughed at and ignored for the garbage he puts out.

JHB

(37,161 posts)

8. A lot of them are the very same people

Reply to duforsure (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:03 AM

Jun 2018

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)

14. diagnoses of senility or dementia

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 07:52 AM

Jun 2018

have specific criteria. when he doesn't remember that he doesn't remember, we may be getting somewhere.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

16. I once knew somebody with Alzheimer's.

Reply to bucolic_frolic (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:13 AM

Jun 2018

She would ask the same questions over and over again, because she could never quite remember. She was never really sure.

On a bad day she would ask "Who are you again?" every 15 minutes.

bucolic_frolic

(43,196 posts)

17. It touches many families, probably about 50% of them

Reply to DetlefK (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:23 AM

Jun 2018

It's not "where are my car keys?". It's not recalling what car keys are used for. Or more typically, families must intervene when their loved one goes out to the store, and just keeps driving because they can't remember how to get home or where home is. They could wind up 50 miles away.

How one diagnoses a "broken circuit" in someone who only remembers, constantly, his own greatness is anybody's guess. I believe it is dementia, just a different form from Alzheimer's. Loss of mental complexity. Pudgy, out-of-shape, obese Orange runs all the risks for poor circulation, brain plaque, hypertension. It's visually obvious.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)

15. Hilary won...

Reply to DetlefK (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 08:03 AM

Jun 2018

Maybe his 'recollection changed' and he thinks Hilary won, and that is why he keeps bringing up her name. Or that the election didn't happen yet and he thinks he is still campaigning. OR DEMENTIA.😆

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