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MineralMan

(146,317 posts) Mon Jun 4, 2018, 12:50 PM Jun 2018

To Donald J. Trump: Read the Freaking Constitution, You Feckless Ass!

"The President...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

It's very clearly written.

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To Donald J. Trump: Read the Freaking Constitution, You Feckless Ass! (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2018 OP

Trump does not read anything including PDB Gothmog Jun 2018 #1

That Brings Up An Intriguing Scenario ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #2

No. If a President is not convicted by the Senate, MineralMan Jun 2018 #3

I Know ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #4

He would have to care to read the constitution....he. does. not. spanone Jun 2018 #5

"Here, borrow mine" Khizr Khan Wwcd Jun 2018 #6

I say, let him think he can pardon himself FakeNoose Jun 2018 #7

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)

1. Trump does not read anything including PDB

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 12:55 PM

Jun 2018

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)

2. That Brings Up An Intriguing Scenario

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 12:58 PM

Jun 2018

If a POTUS is impeached, but not convicted by the Senate, would any pardons to anyone related to the investigation that led to impeachment be prevented?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

3. No. If a President is not convicted by the Senate,

Reply to ProfessorGAC (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 01:01 PM

Jun 2018

he or she is still the President, and loses none of the powers of the President. Impeachment is like an indictment. No conviction means no conviction.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)

4. I Know

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 01:09 PM

Jun 2018

But, we've had two presidents impeached, neither convicted.

My question, and i don't think we actually know the answer, is whether a POTUS who was affirmatively impeached would be able to pardon anybody directly related to the issues of law that directly related to the impeachment proceedings.

Your quote specifically says in matters of impeachment. It does not say anything about removal from office due to conviction by the Senate. The impeachment and conviction are two separate processes.