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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:48 PM Jun 2018

Need some negative numbers for the Trump presidency

I'm trying to put together some info on Trump that has been negative, because it seems like Trump tweets great praise for the economy and himself, and the media just follows along.

So far:
1) Job creation is down under Trump, approx 185,000/month the first 16 months under Trump and 223,000/month the last 16 months under Obama
2) After inflation, wage growth is down
3) Gas prices up
4) The national debt is way up
5) Annual deficit way up
6) Government borrowing over $100 billion/month to stay afloat
7) Violent crime rate up in 2017 versus 2016

What else is out there that I can use?

Thanks

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Need some negative numbers for the Trump presidency (Original Post) NewJeffCT Jun 2018 OP
find the number of people who have no healthcare coverage nt Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #1
also hate crimes...and mass shooting nt Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #2
latest hate crime stats I saw NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #12
3 million fewer NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #4
Here's one GeoWilliam750 Jun 2018 #3
good one NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #9
What is going to kill Republicans in 2020 quartz007 Jun 2018 #5
I saw that median home prices are down in 2018 NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #14
Depends on where you live. mia Jun 2018 #18
Exact repeat of 2009-2011 debacle quartz007 Jun 2018 #27
While U.S. stock market is up under Caligula, the rest of the world's is up even more... progree Jun 2018 #6
That's not a winning argument Awsi Dooger Jun 2018 #7
it is, though NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #10
Perhaps, but it throws shade on one of Caligula's biggest claims progree Jun 2018 #15
Because the June 12 meeting is on again n/t quartz007 Jun 2018 #17
The market is in a trading range...up one day and down the next. brush Jun 2018 #22
You mean to say that Dirty Donny*s is smaller than the rest of the world? Achilleaze Jun 2018 #8
Pepsi is raising prices effective July 1 underpants Jun 2018 #11
I'm sure others are increasing prices as well NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #13
Inflation across the board is in the air quartz007 Jun 2018 #16
Deaths from opioid overdose continue to rise cyclonefence Jun 2018 #19
Thanks for checking NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #21
The media does what the media does. Chase ratings. We just have to GOTV. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #20
the media loves to chase Trump NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #23
Higher gas prices is a tough sell MichMan Jun 2018 #24
That's too far back for most Trumpsters to remember NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #25
Fuck em, we are WAY past this shit, or talking. Rump and his followers are actively engaged in Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #26

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
3. Here's one
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:50 PM
Jun 2018

Worst performing major stock market in the world in US Dollar terms since his presidency began (the opposite of Obama) - despite the major tax cuts for corporations.

Sharply lower bond market resulting in downward pressure on real estate prices, and people's real discretionary spending.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
5. What is going to kill Republicans in 2020
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:55 PM
Jun 2018

is the coming real-estate debacle, a repeat of 2009-2010-2011 period.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
27. Exact repeat of 2009-2011 debacle
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jun 2018

Before the prices collapsed, many locales experienced galloping prices, right up to the end.

Things which are common between previous real estate bubble and now.

> Prices are increasing faster than people's incomes.

> Many loans are being issued without adequate down payments and ability to make loan payments.

Add to to that rising mortgage rates.

I would not buy any housing right now except fixer-uppers at bargain price.

progree

(10,909 posts)
6. While U.S. stock market is up under Caligula, the rest of the world's is up even more...
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jun 2018

There was an article a few months ago that went into this... probably still true or even more true now...

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
7. That's not a winning argument
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jun 2018

And notice the stock market threads have all but disappeared around here.

Up again today

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
10. it is, though
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jun 2018

if France and Germany's stock markets beat out the US, it makes Trump look bad since they're kicking our asses (in Trumpian terminology)

And, one day of the market being up doesn't make for much bragging - if the economy was great, the market would be up far more for the year to date. Dow closed at 24,719 on 12/29/17. As I type this, it's at 24,809 this afternoon. That's basically flat for the year.

progree

(10,909 posts)
15. Perhaps, but it throws shade on one of Caligula's biggest claims
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jun 2018

Just like his job growth numbers over his 16 months have been very good...

but not as good as Obama's last 16 months.

brush

(53,791 posts)
22. The market is in a trading range...up one day and down the next.
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jun 2018

All because of trumps pronouncement on tarriffs and Amazon and the PO and on and on.

It's basically stuck in a range and not going anywhere.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
8. You mean to say that Dirty Donny*s is smaller than the rest of the world?
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jun 2018

Sad.


* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

underpants

(182,829 posts)
11. Pepsi is raising prices effective July 1
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210692385

This year our business has experienced significant, unplanned increases across major commodity markets - including crude, aluminum, and PET (polyethylene terephthalate) - along with unprecedented rises in transportation and logistics costs. Aluminum tariffs represent further unplanned inflation.
 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
16. Inflation across the board is in the air
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jun 2018

gas, rent, medical bills, mortgage rates, and grocery prices are all creeping up and picking up speed.

By Nov 2020 only housing & stocks & bonds will be lower.
Everything else will be higher.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
23. the media loves to chase Trump
Mon Jun 4, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jun 2018

If he's still around in 2020, the media will still report every tweet and every word that he utters. The daily Trump scandal(s) will soon be forgotten when something new comes along the next day with that days daily scandal(s). Meanwhile, the Democratic nominee will have one or two mostly manufactured scandals to combat throughout the lengthy campaign and people will have forgotten most of Trump's 300 scandals in 2020 and weight those against the Democratic nominee's handful.

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